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So called Cyclic "P" election violence
masukuma
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:46:18 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....
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Rahatupu
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:59:27 PM
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masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....



@kaka, no Kiuk peasant was given land by Jomo in RV. All the white highland parcels were divided among his political cronnies. No Kaleo or rather nobody can today point out a single piece of land that was grabbed from them by Kiuks in the RV. Blatant disregard of law (contract between buyer and seller) for political reasons is the basis of this distortion.
kaka2za
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 1:28:13 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....



@kaka, no Kiuk peasant was given land by Jomo in RV. All the white highland parcels were divided among his political cronnies. No Kaleo or rather nobody can today point out a single piece of land that was grabbed from them by Kiuks in the RV. Blatant disregard of law (contract between buyer and seller) for political reasons is the basis of this distortion.


check your facts. The land buying Cos didnt buy land from Kaleos.Only much later did peasants sell their portions to Kyuks.
Ever wondered why the Kenyattas,Kibaki,Koinange etc didn't acquire land past Nakuru District?
They knew there will be war one day!
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Wrong forever on the throne
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masukuma
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 2:08:10 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....



@kaka, no Kiuk peasant was given land by Jomo in RV. All the white highland parcels were divided among his political cronnies. No Kaleo or rather nobody can today point out a single piece of land that was grabbed from them by Kiuks in the RV. Blatant disregard of law (contract between buyer and seller) for political reasons is the basis of this distortion.


check your facts. The land buying Cos didnt buy land from Kaleos.Only much later did peasants sell their portions to Kyuks.
Ever wondered why the Kenyattas,Kibaki,Koinange etc didn't acquire land past Nakuru District?
They knew there will be war one day!

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kaka2za
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 4:59:31 PM
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Formula ni moja tu. Forget where you came from and support the popular party where you live.
Kama uko Kiambu,jubilate.Kama uko Siaya cordinate and if in Kitui,melonate
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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masukuma
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:29:08 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Formula ni moja tu. Forget where you came from and support the popular party where you live.
Kama uko Kiambu,jubilate.Kama uko Siaya cordinate and if in Kitui,melonate

actually Kikuyus in RV never really came from central - their grandparents did! Both set of grand parents are the ones who moved to RV even my folks really grew up in RV so watu wa rika yangu don't even know anyone in central all our relatives are in RV. Of course if I want to be beaten - I should ask my grandpa the exact location he came from - find my way there and niende kudai vitu "zangu" coz central "ni kwetu".
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Lolest!
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:50:06 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....



@kaka, no Kiuk peasant was given land by Jomo in RV. All the white highland parcels were divided among his political cronnies. No Kaleo or rather nobody can today point out a single piece of land that was grabbed from them by Kiuks in the RV. Blatant disregard of law (contract between buyer and seller) for political reasons is the basis of this distortion.


check your facts. The land buying Cos didnt buy land from Kaleos.Only much later did peasants sell their portions to Kyuks.
Ever wondered why the Kenyattas,Kibaki,Koinange etc didn't acquire land past Nakuru District?
They knew there will be war one day!

Are you sure they never got land in Nakuru District(now county)?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:31:54 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Formula ni moja tu. Forget where you came from and support the popular party where you live.
Kama uko Kiambu,jubilate.Kama uko Siaya cordinate and if in Kitui,melonate


I like the "...nate" connotation.

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kaka2za
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:37:23 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Jomo gave Kyuks land in the RV and appointed DM as VP to silence them.Kaleos looked on as their ancestral land was taken away and renamed Rurigi,Kiambaa etc
Kyuks in RV then decided support opposition in 1992 rather than KANU and this angered their hosts.

Now you are talking Turkey. The only way we coexist peacefully is taking each others concerns to heart. In 2007 there was a guy on PNU who run against Ruto kwake and got 29k votes....



@kaka, no Kiuk peasant was given land by Jomo in RV. All the white highland parcels were divided among his political cronnies. No Kaleo or rather nobody can today point out a single piece of land that was grabbed from them by Kiuks in the RV. Blatant disregard of law (contract between buyer and seller) for political reasons is the basis of this distortion.


check your facts. The land buying Cos didnt buy land from Kaleos.Only much later did peasants sell their portions to Kyuks.
Ever wondered why the Kenyattas,Kibaki,Koinange etc didn't acquire land past Nakuru District?
They knew there will be war one day!

Are you sure they never got land in Nakuru District(now county)?


Note the word 'past' or beyond Nakuru. Karume ndiye ako mwisho huko Molo.Kibaki upto Bahati,unyato I think Ngata farm. Name any prime property owned by the Kyuk bigwigs in Uasin Gishu,Transnzoia or Kericho.
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Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Alba
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:40:41 PM
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masukuma wrote:

I am just saying that we know where our bread is buttered... been stung 3 times we kinda know what is good for us (waSapere wa RVP). I struggle to find an opinionated mSapere from RV on these matters - kwanza we have never really benefited from any mSapere from central government. so mwamba ngoma huvuta pande yake! Kila mtu ajipange... we don't even need to be on the winning team (like 2002) we just need to side with these guys and we shall be sawa. the rest can gang up and have a president from another part of the country - ni sawa. And by the way the narrative that a person is responsible for election violence is a bit narrow minded. Ethnic tensions lead to this type of conflict.... having gone through it 3 times we kinda know what causes these tensions. Wengine mjipange...


When tribal strife erupts, Kenyans do not differentiate between RV Kiuks or central Kiuks or between RV Luhyas and western luhya. To them, a Kiuk is a kiuk and Luo is a Luo regardless of whom they support. You are asking emotional people to think logically when they are angry about being betrayed in an election?

As I see it we need to do two things:
1. Our leaders need to commit to free and fair elections. If IEBC reform is needed then let it happen. If Kenyan election results continue to be suspect, then chaos will eventually erupt again if not in 2017 then in 2022 when Ruto is stabbed in the back.

2. We need a new generation of leaders who actively campaign against tribalism. Our current set of leaders thrive on encouraging tribalism.

I do not think number 2 above will happen in my lifetime. But a movement has to start somewhere.
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