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tycho
#41 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:47:51 AM
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¿ wrote:
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Is a genetically modified organism, or a genetically engineered organism an example of AI?


I'm beginning to suspect that AI is a misnomer and misconception. There's only 'intelligence' and it has no limit.

'Nature' is intelligence that we're used to but is in itself an illusion. The more we advance in knowledge and intelligence the more we'll have newer life forms... so the question is how to deal with these emergent life forms? A Darwinian model would perhaps be most appropriate ...

So, probably withdrawing Tay was a timid and bad idea.


Artificial intelligence (AI) is the intelligence exhibited by machines or software. It is also the name of the academic field of study which studies how to create computers and computer software that are capable of intelligent behavior.


For every perspective a definition.
¿
#42 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 7:56:19 AM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is a genetically modified organism, or a genetically engineered organism an example of AI?


I'm beginning to suspect that AI is a misnomer and misconception. There's only 'intelligence' and it has no limit.

'Nature' is intelligence that we're used to but is in itself an illusion. The more we advance in knowledge and intelligence the more we'll have newer life forms... so the question is how to deal with these emergent life forms? A Darwinian model would perhaps be most appropriate ...

So, probably withdrawing Tay was a timid and bad idea.


Artificial intelligence (AI) is the intelligence exhibited by machines or software. It is also the name of the academic field of study which studies how to create computers and computer software that are capable of intelligent behavior.


For every perspective a definition.


And anything can become anything else by changing definitions to match perspectives
tycho
#43 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:03:06 AM
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¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is a genetically modified organism, or a genetically engineered organism an example of AI?


I'm beginning to suspect that AI is a misnomer and misconception. There's only 'intelligence' and it has no limit.

'Nature' is intelligence that we're used to but is in itself an illusion. The more we advance in knowledge and intelligence the more we'll have newer life forms... so the question is how to deal with these emergent life forms? A Darwinian model would perhaps be most appropriate ...

So, probably withdrawing Tay was a timid and bad idea.


Artificial intelligence (AI) is the intelligence exhibited by machines or software. It is also the name of the academic field of study which studies how to create computers and computer software that are capable of intelligent behavior.


For every perspective a definition.


And anything can become anything else by changing definitions to match perspectives


I'll let your post be your work.
¿
#44 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:05:17 AM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is a genetically modified organism, or a genetically engineered organism an example of AI?


I'm beginning to suspect that AI is a misnomer and misconception. There's only 'intelligence' and it has no limit.

'Nature' is intelligence that we're used to but is in itself an illusion. The more we advance in knowledge and intelligence the more we'll have newer life forms... so the question is how to deal with these emergent life forms? A Darwinian model would perhaps be most appropriate ...

So, probably withdrawing Tay was a timid and bad idea.


Artificial intelligence (AI) is the intelligence exhibited by machines or software. It is also the name of the academic field of study which studies how to create computers and computer software that are capable of intelligent behavior.


For every perspective a definition.


And anything can become anything else by changing definitions to match perspectives


I'll let your post be your work.


Laughing out loudly
¿
#45 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:26:46 PM
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masukuma
#46 Posted : Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:44:52 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I think "intelligence" and "mimicry" are different. the larger question of whether "it" knows "its" doing these things is a largely unappreciated one. Does AlphaGo "appreciate" go? does Deep blue appreciate chess? what we have is advanced mimicry of intelligence - perhaps a better question to ask is "does a very very very good painting or model of a person become a person? anyway the whole strong AI discussion is moot since it's not a question of "if" but "when" and the concerns of "old scientists" will be taken into consideration.


What makes a person? What's consciousness?

I think we're beyond mimicry.

until we can define and measure that - we cannot create something that mimics it.


Not true. Mimicry is possible without definition.

it's not... give an example.


A child will mimic parent's behavior without defining the behavior. For example, children of a parent with bipolar condition will tend to be bipolar through behavioral learning. And by the way learning doesn't require definition or consciousness.

definition is about distillation to component forms - it can be conscious or unconscious . for example - smiling or raising your hand is all about muscle movement and the child observes and distills this and replicates it - they don't get it right 1st time but they train their faculties into mastering what they see. Grasping - motor skills. All complex behaviour that we mimicked our parents were small movements that we mastered and learnt how to stitch them into complex movements.


Equivocation. But even in the case I've provided there's no proof that the child will distill the components of behavior as in your case even unconsciously. If behavioral components- notice the mechanistic metaphor- could be distilled even unconsciously, then maladaptive mimicry would be avoided without therapy.


I have had the pleasure of having 3 children and the youngest is right now playing with a yellow shower duck. She is 7 months old and she seems to be fascinated by me pressing the duck and it making the whistling sound. she has not been able to do this on her own but if I do it over and over again and she hangs in there and gains motor skills that are required to press that yellow duck - he will one day generate the sound by herself. My second born daughter is having challenges in snapping her fingers - she watches me snap and she attempts and fails... she does it over and over and in a couple of weeks she will. the distillation of snapping of fingers - I recall her elder brother wanting to snap his fingers so badly that as he was in bed just before sleeping he would attempt to get it right - and one day he did. A human baby/child does this through out. from speech patterns and tones. Why do kids do this? Dopermine shots.. they get elated and gratified when they succeed. My brother and I shout passionately when discussing because my dad did the same. mimicry is not a right off the bat thing - it involves a feedback loop. Perhaps that is why kids sleep that much - attempting to learn all these things is exhausting. Perhaps the day we have self drugging machines which "feel" good after achieving tasks we will have a machine that aspires to be human and is elated by the journey - so far what we have is mimicry of mechanics of certain complex decision making processes humans engage in.
in english please

The girl has mastered the snap (not exactly mastered but she can now snap her fingers and have a small snapping sound escape her fingers). She is happy and running around showing everyone.
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murchr
#47 Posted : Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:04:32 PM
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#49 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2018 4:33:26 PM
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It was man 1, machine 1 in the first live, public debate between an artificial intelligence system developed by IBM and two human debaters.

The AI, called Project Debater, appeared on stage in a packed conference room at IBM’s San Francisco office embodied in a 6ft tall black panel with a blue, animated “mouth”. It was a looming presence alongside the human debaters Noa Ovadia and Dan Zafrir, who stood behind a podium nearby.

Although the machine stumbled at many points, the unprecedented event offered a glimpse into how computers are learning to grapple with the messy, unstructured world of human decision-making.

For each of the two short debates, participants had to prepare a four-minute opening statement, followed by a four-minute rebuttal and a two-minute summary. The opening debate topic was “we should subsidize space exploration”, followed by “we should increase the use of telemedicine”.

In both debates, the audience voted Project Debater to be worse at delivery but better in terms of the amount of information it conveyed. And despite several robotic slip-ups, the audience voted the AI to be more persuasive (in terms of changing the audience’s position) than its human opponent, Zafrir, in the second debate.


https://www.theguardian....m-debate-project-debater
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