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WILL YOU VOTE FOR THE PROPOSED DRAFT CONSTITUTION?
amwitu
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:37:21 PM
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A keen look at how interested parties are behaving as far as this constitution is concerned, you can only conclude and summarize it in two ways: 1. That those who are opposed to it do so because either they are genuine that there are contensious issues or they are insencere and what they actually aim at is to retain the status quo untill 2012. 2. That those supporting it know very well that it is not going to go through and so they will be assured that the status quo will remain.
As for me, am not convinced that the Kadhis courts issue was handled as it should as well as the a bortion issue. Am currently studying the issue Michuki raised and will soon make up my mind. In the mean-time, am votin NO.
AM BETTER OFF BEING A REPENTANT SINNER THAN A RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITE.
kivairu
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:47:52 PM
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On a light note tho'........kama Agwambo amesoma akaona katiba ni mzuri, ni mzuri, hapo ndio nitawekasmile Amen! Hio ndio kanisa kushinda mainstream churches.......

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
aemathenge
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:55:33 PM
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@Kivairu, would you like to put what happened to Germany during Adolf Hitler's reign "on a light note tho"?
willin2learn
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:11:57 PM
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If Michuki is saying NO....hata mimi
the sage
#35 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:38:15 AM
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@All England doesn't have a constitution. I will vote for it, but in the long run only an iron will to do what is right will save this country.
albertross
#36 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:59:36 AM
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@ All, why should my taxes be used to support an office which I shall never use, namley the khadi court.

We are told that this office is used to arbitrate matters of succession and inheritance for the muslim faith. That is fine but the question is, if they went to a court, would their issue not be dealt with?

I had such an issue and it took me 1 year for it to be dealt with, but now I ma told that the muslims can have a special court that will expedite matters for them, and will cater specially for them.

If you want this, let all the taxes required for this court come from muslims.

My taxes go to support what will be used by ALL, like roads and schools, not by 10% of the population.

By the way for those who argue that they are already in the current constitution, two things............does that make it right and I thought we are trying to make a NEW law.

For that I will vote no!!!Shame on you Shame on you
Fundaah
#37 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:24:56 AM
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I will vote 'Yes'

did you know we are the talk of the continent ....
If you are a 'NO' person please read on



http://www.zambianwatchd...n-zambia-emulate-kenya/

Can Zambia emulate Kenya?
By Trevor Sumumba

The Kenyan Parliament has just passed a Draft Constitution that is one of the progressive in Africa. This has come after much political debate and civil strife. The Kenyan people should rightly be very proud of reaching this point in their drive for change. The draft constitution passed by Parliament on Thursday will change the face of Kenya by introducing the most far-reaching institutional reforms the nation has seen since independence. If a majority of voters say ‘Yes’ at the referendum, Kenyans will have a Government in which the powers of the President will be severely limited, women’s rights are guaranteed and systems of land use and management radically changed to ensure equity.

The Constitution will overhaul the Judiciary, restructure the police force and write into law the socio-economic rights of all individuals as part of a Bill of Rights. In the new Kenyan Constitution, MPs will pay taxes, the number of ministers will be reduced by half and voters will be able to recall MPs who fail to discharge their duties properly. This is great news for Africa as a whole as no longer can Governments claim lack of examples of countries that have successfully changed their constitutions. Can Zambia do the same? Do we have political and national leaders in this country of the calibre of Raila Odinga, Kibaki himself, Amos Wako, Kalonzo Musyoka and all the other opposition and ruling party Members of Parliament who debated and voted based on principle and not on partisan cadre basis.

Under the new constitutional order, the President will find his powers to exercise political patronage severely diminished. The Cabinet will be composed of a minimum of 14 ministers (to be named Cabinet Secretaries) and a maximum of 24. This will translate into savings for taxpayers, who will no longer have to pay the salaries and perks of a government such as the current grand coalition, which at formation included 40 ministers and 52 assistant ministers. (Source: Daily Nation Newspaper, Kenya)

The position of assistant ministers will be history under the new constitutional order as will that of prime minister. Does our current crop of parliamentarians and Executive have the courage to do a similar thing? One wonders. How long will this NCC continue to deliberate and gobble billions of tax payers money? The Mungomba Draft Constitution covered a lot of ground already but we have had this NCC sit for years debating non-issues rather than ensuring that fundamental issues are dealt with like reducing the powers of the Presidency.

Kenya has really shown it is the ‘Pride of Africa’ and should be commended for this achievement. More importantly, civil society, the media and the religious bodies in Kenya played a critical positive role in this whole process and did not wage war against the process. They ensured that ordinary citizens’ views were incorporated in this new law. Now once the constitution is in place, the politicians can go back to competing on the basis of ideas and policy issues rather than on regional tribal politics which Zambia seems to be moving towards. It is hoped the success of Kenya can shame the Zambian politicians into action



Its time to be proud of your country....

No constitution is perfect....

and its always greener on the other side of the fence....



Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Fundaah
#38 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:49:06 AM
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Joined: 11/19/2008
Posts: 1,267
Here is the tally so far

ayes

1 y Magigi
2 y Njunge
3 y kiuki
4 y mcreggae
5 y pierce
6 y Muganda
7 y poundfoolish
8 y Nothingstopping this
9 y Wendz
10 y JWK
11 y the sage
12 y Fundaah


Nos

1 n agra
2 n Noble
3 n Niando
4 n amwitu
5 n Albertross
6 n kadonye
7 n jaina
8 n aemathenge
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Wa_ithaka
#39 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:58:34 AM
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Location: nbi
Idiocy of the highest kind to vote "No" on just one issue even when it has zero or no effect on you.
I don't like the Kadhi courts (btw I'm surprised the churches have not boycotted the current katiba given Cathy is already in there), but after 20yrs, Ksh20bn+ spend, we have a katiba that is 95% better than the current and really we can't stay rooted to one spot like children. Need to move fwd...

Yes from me

The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:21:32 AM
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"there are several contentious issues. They should be sorted out first"
those are the words of our leaders. To me the issues that we need to sort out real quick are our leaders. AM VOTING YES



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