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Fact is, there were no people known as the Agikuyu, Aembu or Ameru before circa 1500 (this is the time Mr. Vasco da Gama was finding the route to India and Mr Christopher Colombo was getting lost in the Red Indian lands now known as the Americas) The British created some kabilas at the time they were grabbing african land under queen Victoria.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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majimaji wrote:Fact is, there were no people known as the Agikuyu, Aembu or Ameru before circa 1500 (this is the time Mr. Vasco da Gama was finding the route to India and Mr Christopher Colombo was getting lost in the Red Indian lands now known as the Americas) The British created some kabilas at the time they were grabbing african land under queen Victoria. of course! the band of people that migrated northwards from Mt Kilimanjaro was not the group we have now. No ethnic group is what their history tells us they were. None... a band of people moving killing and assimilating others if they are strong enough or being killed or assimilated if they are weak. but language and DNA does not lie... our history lies to us! this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 488
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majimaji wrote:
I'm Dorobo and proud. The Dorobo also were hunter gatherers that occupied parts forests around Karura, forest road, ngong forest. Absorbed by the Kikuyu and Maasai, this groups together with the Gumba and Athi people have disappeared from history. Fact is, the kikuyu did not name most areas of muranga and nyeri, most place names there have no meaning in kikuyu. Also most kikuyu names have no meaning in kikuyu, reason being that they were adapted from earlier settlers.
So you are the only surviving member? Shouldnt you be declared endangered? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet. The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of the planet. The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them yeah.... that's their recent narrative (500 years?) which is true... but if you take the clock back I am sure it won't tell you about the other people they found in their current place. not that it was uninhabited. The history of the world is such that more often than not history is written by the victors. Dorobo were victors for sometime - their narrative held until it was nearly overwritten by the newer victor. that is what I mean. These lands have always been inhabited we just don't know who those people were. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Black jewry is fascinating... there is a book about it... apparently the Ashanti, Tutsi, Igbo, Zulu, Beta Israel, Maasai and many others claim to be jews... Who is a jew? Is it by birth, religion, culture, geography etc? apparently...By claim! if you look different from the people around you. if you have distinct cultures from those around you, if you have beaten them in war over and over again. Then Christianity shows up on your door step... you automatically associate with the conquests of the Israelites then draw an imaginary line between the so called lost tribes of israel (Samarians) and you... and then teach that to your kids... a couple of generations later - everyone has internalized the claim. Don't draw your definition of who a black Jew is supposed to be and fit them into it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 488
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Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Black jewry is fascinating... there is a book about it... apparently the Ashanti, Tutsi, Igbo, Zulu, Beta Israel, Maasai and many others claim to be jews... Who is a jew? Is it by birth, religion, culture, geography etc? apparently...By claim! if you look different from the people around you. if you have distinct cultures from those around you, if you have beaten them in war over and over again. Then Christianity shows up on your door step... you automatically associate with the conquests of the Israelites then draw an imaginary line between the so called lost tribes of israel (Samarians) and you... and then teach that to your kids... a couple of generations later - everyone has internalized the claim. Don't draw your definition of who a black Jew is supposed to be and fit them into it. the only common thing about jewry across all claimants is just that the claim to be jews... wewe yako ni? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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gk wrote:Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins. That theory is elaborated by Ugandan history scholar Mahmood Mamdani in his book on the 1994 genocide, From Victims to Killers He further explains in his book that they brought with them centralized govt when they migrated from Ethiopia after which they Lorded over the Bantu Hutu I find it plausible that the Batutsi are descended from Ethiopia or some Cushites. One time in a bus I chatted with a lady who told me she was a Mnyarwanda. I remember pointing out to her that she looked more Ethiopian than 'other African'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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gk wrote:Where did the Tutsi come from? Their physical features n cattle keeping habits are non Bantu unlike all their immediate neighbours n during the genocide they were being told to return to their home in Ethiopia.....a fallacy advanced by some like John Speke unable to explain their origins. the genes tell everything.... everything! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of theNot planet. The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them yeah.... that's their recent narrative (500 years?) which is true... but if you take the clock back I am sure it won't tell you about the other people they found in their current place. not that it was uninhabited. The history of the world is such that more often than not history is written by the victors. Dorobo were victors for sometime - their narrative held until it was nearly overwritten by the newer victor. that is what I mean. These lands have always been inhabited we just don't know who those people were. So according to your theory, every point on earth was always inhabited??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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by the way.. how different are the Tutsis to the Banyakole? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of theNot planet. The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them yeah.... that's their recent narrative (500 years?) which is true... but if you take the clock back I am sure it won't tell you about the other people they found in their current place. not that it was uninhabited. The history of the world is such that more often than not history is written by the victors. Dorobo were victors for sometime - their narrative held until it was nearly overwritten by the newer victor. that is what I mean. These lands have always been inhabited we just don't know who those people were. So according to your theory, every point on earth was always inhabited?? well... not always... however human beings have walked the planet for around say...200k years.. if the cradle of humanity is east africa 200k years ago and the out of africa theory holds  we have had human beings in east africa for longer period of time than anywhere else on the planet. it's not inconceivable that populations moved around over and over again. We are talking 200k years of human history! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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masukuma wrote:¿ wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Black jewry is fascinating... there is a book about it... apparently the Ashanti, Tutsi, Igbo, Zulu, Beta Israel, Maasai and many others claim to be jews... Who is a jew? Is it by birth, religion, culture, geography etc? apparently...By claim! if you look different from the people around you. if you have distinct cultures from those around you, if you have beaten them in war over and over again. Then Christianity shows up on your door step... you automatically associate with the conquests of the Israelites then draw an imaginary line between the so called lost tribes of israel (Samarians) and you... and then teach that to your kids... a couple of generations later - everyone has internalized the claim. Don't draw your definition of who a black Jew is supposed to be and fit them into it. the only common thing about jewry across all claimants is just that the claim to be jews... wewe yako ni? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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One would wonder what exactly is meant by 'Jew'. Is it a genotype? Is it a myth?
@Masukuma has said somewhere above that 'genes tell everything'. So the question would be how do genes tell who is, and isn't a Jew?
Well, genes can't speak by themselves. It's humans who study them who generate interpretations. So if a group defines itself as 'Jewish' then it must be due to some mythical creation...
And if 'Jew' is a myth, then shouldn't all who embrace this myth qualify to be 'Jews'?
I think all or most of these claims to 'Jewishness' are valid and true.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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tycho wrote:One would wonder what exactly is meant by 'Jew'. Is it a genotype? Is it a myth?
@Masukuma has said somewhere above that 'genes tell everything'. So the question would be how do genes tell who is, and isn't a Jew?
Well, genes can't speak by themselves. It's humans who study them who generate interpretations. So if a group defines itself as 'Jewish' then it must be due to some mythical creation...
And if 'Jew' is a myth, then shouldn't all who embrace this myth qualify to be 'Jews'?
I think all or most of these claims to 'Jewishness' are valid and true. I think the most common 'evidence' of being Jewish is male circumcision. Most communities that practice male circumcision somehow claim to be Jews. It may be true that they are descendants of Jews and carried out the practice as they wandered the earth. The other explanation is that once they were colonized they discovered in the colonizers bible something that they could identify with and thus claimed it as their own. Closer to home what intrigues me is the connection between the Merus and the Kisiis. They are so similar, could it be that they are the same people? At what point did they separate?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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honestly why should you care in 2016 Ati the last jews. You are talking as if Jews are God's chosen. If you believe that, go die coz you are going to hell....like kesho Tafakari hayo Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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An interesting thread where tycho is involved and I can understand what he's saying. punda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:this includes the narratives of the dorobo and other early dwellers of this part of theNot planet. The Dorobo narrative is real. They owned most of the forested lands in Southern Kikuyuland Even upto the coming of the British, small groups of the Dorobo still existed separate from the Gikuyu! And a number of Kikuyu trace their ancestry from them yeah.... that's their recent narrative (500 years?) which is true... but if you take the clock back I am sure it won't tell you about the other people they found in their current place. not that it was uninhabited. The history of the world is such that more often than not history is written by the victors. Dorobo were victors for sometime - their narrative held until it was nearly overwritten by the newer victor. that is what I mean. These lands have always been inhabited we just don't know who those people were. So according to your theory, every point on earth was always inhabited?? well... not always... however human beings have walked the planet for around say...200k years.. if the cradle of humanity is east africa 200k years ago and the out of africa theory holds we have had human beings in east africa for longer period of time than anywhere else on the planet. it's not inconceivable that populations moved around over and over again. We are talking 200k years of human history! Those were not human beings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Kusadikika wrote:
Closer to home what intrigues me is the connection between the Merus and the Kisiis. They are so similar, could it be that they are the same people? At what point did they separate?
Wako related. Historian Prof Ochieng once wrote about this. He pointed to the many similarities in language, names(Mugambi-Mogambi, Mungai-Mongai, Mararo-Moraro), culture etc According to him, the theory that Mt Kenya Bantus came from the South is incomplete. For them to come from the South, they passed via western Kenya and left their close brothers the Abagusii there. There developed differences after that between the Abagusii and their brothers because of environment and their interaction with neighbouring tribes(eg the Abagusii interacted with the Luo and ended up copying their names while Mt Kenya people interacted with the Maasai
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