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Law Proposal: Importing vehicles older than 8 years
nakujua
#21 Posted : Thursday, March 03, 2016 12:05:10 PM
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Banning mitumba clothes is not a good idea, we can never manufacture clothes for the price mitumba go for in the ranges of 30 bob to 100 bob. If there is a way to ban mitumba 'camera' then the local industry might get a boost, lakini banning the kawaida mitumba would just take the coutry back in a negative way.

As for classic cars is it legally possible to bring in the car in parts, like the doors, the engine ... separately then assemble it locally - ama registering the same would be illegal.
D32
#22 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2016 8:32:43 AM
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Much Know wrote:
Banning mutumba cars/whatever else mutumba is the best thing that could happen to Kenya and the region. There is an economics paper written in 1970 that won the nobel prize featuring "lowered expectations" by the public where second hand cars were used as a model when studying information asymmetry (when fellas don't know exactly what is best for them). It is called "The market for lemons" Generally once the population starts accepting junk, the sellers/business people change modus operendi to supply even worse junk!! Talk of mutumba underwear, socks, bras e.t.c all beggining from mutumba suits. Acres upon acres in nairobi of squeezed houses without sewerage systems, pour sewage in the drainage's at night showers on top of the toilet e.t.c. Even in a "free market", goods/services/products that are injurious to the public should not be allowed.

A major implication for instance is when banks give loans to buy this junk, in japan the junks are sold for 2,500/- usd, their actual values, when the junk arrives in Kenya it is changed to 7,500/- usd by AA or or other "valuers", i.e the selling (market) price in Kenya, a bank then gives out tens of billions in loans to buy this junks and ends up with a loan book that has 3 times it's actual value in guaranteed assets booked (if you were to compare books/values internationally). What happens when a real natural "global" valuation by market forces takes place which is an unavoidable eventuality, same for the "junk" houses that will eventually need to be redeveloped and the values slashed? The junk is now worth 1000/- usd and the bank has a value of 7000/- usd in it's books.

Kenyans expectations were really lowered during the moi era where bludgeoning industries were killed by his spoilt brats and the same given "import licenses" to further destroy the economy. His brats were given exclusive license to import this junks in the 90's.

One of Kenyas main problems is this "crisis of lowered expectations" which Kenyans developed in the nyayo era. They grew immune to potholes, 20hour daily power blackouts, thieves, mitumba cars, corrupt police, unplanned quasi ghetto developments of gorafas with toilets in shower e.t.c and stopped saying hallo to each other on the streets which was common in the 70's early 80's, they became angry!!!

A good strategy to lift Kenyans expectations is needed, banning second hand cars is a good beginning. Otherwise we shall end up at best like mexico or brazil, a "sprawling ghetto of a country".


I totally agree with you.
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D32
#23 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2016 8:34:41 AM
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nakujua wrote:
Banning mitumba clothes is not a good idea, we can never manufacture clothes for the price mitumba go for in the ranges of 30 bob to 100 bob. If there is a way to ban mitumba 'camera' then the local industry might get a boost, lakini banning the kawaida mitumba would just take the coutry back in a negative way.

As for classic cars is it legally possible to bring in the car in parts, like the doors, the engine ... separately then assemble it locally - ama registering the same would be illegal.


Well, I guess that we will need to figure how to manufacture clothes for cheap, which I think begins with producing local materials, e.g. cotton or synthetic fabric, no imports, that way, material costs will be low for tailors, which translates to affordable clothing to the consumer. Traders will not be out of job, they will just switch from used imports to new locally made. Traders just tell the tailors what's in demand.

With importing parts, then assembling, that's a very good idea, if the law allows, or if there is a legal loophole in the law, so long as it does not become mainstream, because if it becomes mainstream, it will obviously be prohibited, as that will be a direct method of overcoming the reason why the 8 year limit was imposed in the first place.

The other alternative that I think will be more likely to work is again, based on assembling your own vehicle, but this time, not based on used components, but based on official brand-new kit cars. These are cars that are sold as kits that can be assembled. There are two main types of kit cars, originals and clones. Originals are kits cars that are originally designed from the ground up as kit cars. Clones on the other hand, are kit cars that are based on original non-kit car equivalent. For example:

http://gearheads.org/diy...-our-favorite-kit-cars/

Here is my wild guess with regards to kit cars with Kenya.

The current 8 year law in Kenya is definitely valid on used vehicles, according to KRA's website:

http://www.revenue.go.ke...toms/faqcustoms.html#Q2

Because the law explicitly states that used vehicles cannot be older than 8 years, that implies that brand-new vehicles can be older than 8 years. This means that if your classic car is available as brand-new kit car, technically, it is a brand-new vehicle, which the law seems to allow.
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tom_boy
#24 Posted : Friday, March 04, 2016 4:54:12 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Banning mutumba cars/whatever else mutumba is the best thing that could happen to Kenya and the region. There is an economics paper written in 1970 that won the nobel prize featuring "lowered expectations" by the public where second hand cars were used as a model when studying information asymmetry (when fellas don't know exactly what is best for them). It is called "The market for lemons" Generally once the population starts accepting junk, the sellers/business people change modus operendi to supply even worse junk!! Talk of mutumba underwear, socks, bras e.t.c all beggining from mutumba suits. Acres upon acres in nairobi of squeezed houses without sewerage systems, pour sewage in the drainage's at night showers on top of the toilet e.t.c. Even in a "free market", goods/services/products that are injurious to the public should not be allowed.

A major implication for instance is when banks give loans to buy this junk, in japan the junks are sold for 2,500/- usd, their actual values, when the junk arrives in Kenya it is changed to 7,500/- usd by AA or or other "valuers", i.e the selling (market) price in Kenya, a bank then gives out tens of billions in loans to buy this junks and ends up with a loan book that has 3 times it's actual value in guaranteed assets booked (if you were to compare books/values internationally). What happens when a real natural "global" valuation by market forces takes place which is an unavoidable eventuality, same for the "junk" houses that will eventually need to be redeveloped and the values slashed? The junk is now worth 1000/- usd and the bank has a value of 7000/- usd in it's books.

Kenyans expectations were really lowered during the moi era where bludgeoning industries were killed by his spoilt brats and the same given "import licenses" to further destroy the economy. His brats were given exclusive license to import this junks in the 90's.

One of Kenyas main problems is this "crisis of lowered expectations" which Kenyans developed in the nyayo era. They grew immune to potholes, 20hour daily power blackouts, thieves, mitumba cars, corrupt police, unplanned quasi ghetto developments of gorafas with toilets in shower e.t.c and stopped saying hallo to each other on the streets which was common in the 70's early 80's, they became angry!!!

A good strategy to lift Kenyans expectations is needed, banning second hand cars is a good beginning. Otherwise we shall end up at best like mexico or brazil, a "sprawling ghetto of a country".


True dat! Mitumba adds no value to our economy. Without mitumba, people will adjust to what is available. At worst, we can import cloth and have the local tailors make us our clothes. At best, we can grow cotton, make cloth and have the local tailor make clothes. This generates more employment and spreads national earnings over a wide base. E.g 10 tailors will earn a living supplying 100 people, while 1 mitumba seller currently clothes 500 people
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