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#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:08:08 PM
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Anti_Burglar
#92 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:20:04 AM
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tycho wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Quote:
The human mind works in strange ways. Whenever a person -- even a highly trained scientist -- starts an investigation based upon prior presuppositions, he is likely to try to make the facts fit his presupposition rather than letting the facts lead him to the proper conclusion.

Of course it is only muslims who are objective and whose brains work right. Until they start chopping THEN their minds also work in strange ways, right?

@Burglar, chop what?

You just confirmed the quote, by posting "...based upon prior presuppositions" Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Chopping various things, wrists, necks etc. But Koran is the foundation upon which that presupposition firmly rests.

Facts firmly rests there, the two true authentic sources of Islam: the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Anything else is presumption and offers no solution to problems facing humanity today! No solution! Islam gives you an answer to this problem of theft.

I'm asking in this boasting of yours, what is the solution to this problem of theft?

NOTE: AND FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO MISUNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT IN ANYWAY SUGGESTING ANYTHING REGARDING SO CALLED SUNNI VS SHIA. I AM JUST RESPONDING TO COMMON DANGER OF PRESUPPOSITION.


Koran presupposes it has the answer to theft and offers a superficial suggestion that it insists is a solution. Because for one born without hands and has become adept in using other things, theft is still possible.


Haha!


I don't understand your happiness.
Anti_Burglar
#93 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:24:40 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Quote:
The human mind works in strange ways. Whenever a person -- even a highly trained scientist -- starts an investigation based upon prior presuppositions, he is likely to try to make the facts fit his presupposition rather than letting the facts lead him to the proper conclusion.

Of course it is only muslims who are objective and whose brains work right. Until they start chopping THEN their minds also work in strange ways, right?

@Burglar, chop what?

You just confirmed the quote, by posting "...based upon prior presuppositions" Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Chopping various things, wrists, necks etc. But Koran is the foundation upon which that presupposition firmly rests.

Facts firmly rests there, the two true authentic sources of Islam: the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Anything else is presumption and offers no solution to problems facing humanity today! No solution! Islam gives you an answer to this problem of theft.

I'm asking in this boasting of yours, what is the solution to this problem of theft?

NOTE: AND FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO MISUNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT IN ANYWAY SUGGESTING ANYTHING REGARDING SO CALLED SUNNI VS SHIA. I AM JUST RESPONDING TO COMMON DANGER OF PRESUPPOSITION.

Koran presupposes it has the answer to theft and offers a superficial suggestion that it insists is a solution. Because for one born without hands and has become adept in using other things, theft is still possible.

Quran gives a solution! I asked you what is your solution?

What you find is that, when the law is applied, you find the society rate of theft drops drastically. Because it creates a sense of security within a society. A society, where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, put on burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear of break-ins.

And if the person continues the crime even after all that is done, the law permits his execution. This means this is obviously a criminal who cannot be reformed, because he's a danger to the society and no way of controlling him. So that individual's life is taken for the protection of the society.

NOTE: even you, as your name suggests, if you continue to carry out with "Burglary", then you would face execution. No one wants Burglars Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


A 'solution' that only 'drops' rates is no solution. A solution solves a problem i.e. there should be no 'problem' after a 'solution' is implemented. Yours is a fake solution. A placebo. But so long as you kill each other, fine by me.
tycho
#94 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:08:51 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
tycho wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Quote:
The human mind works in strange ways. Whenever a person -- even a highly trained scientist -- starts an investigation based upon prior presuppositions, he is likely to try to make the facts fit his presupposition rather than letting the facts lead him to the proper conclusion.

Of course it is only muslims who are objective and whose brains work right. Until they start chopping THEN their minds also work in strange ways, right?

@Burglar, chop what?

You just confirmed the quote, by posting "...based upon prior presuppositions" Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Chopping various things, wrists, necks etc. But Koran is the foundation upon which that presupposition firmly rests.

Facts firmly rests there, the two true authentic sources of Islam: the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Anything else is presumption and offers no solution to problems facing humanity today! No solution! Islam gives you an answer to this problem of theft.

I'm asking in this boasting of yours, what is the solution to this problem of theft?

NOTE: AND FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO MISUNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT IN ANYWAY SUGGESTING ANYTHING REGARDING SO CALLED SUNNI VS SHIA. I AM JUST RESPONDING TO COMMON DANGER OF PRESUPPOSITION.


Koran presupposes it has the answer to theft and offers a superficial suggestion that it insists is a solution. Because for one born without hands and has become adept in using other things, theft is still possible.


Haha!


I don't understand your happiness.


Laughter isn't happiness. But the desperation to pin @AlphDoti is funny.
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#95 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 10:25:43 AM
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Kuwait, Qatar urge citizens to avoid Lebanon

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Kuwait and Qatar on Wednesday became the latest Arab countries to follow in Saudi Arabia's footsteps by urging their citizens already in Lebanon to leave and issuing a travel warning for nationals planning to visit there.

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain — all member-states of the tight-knit Gulf Cooperation Council — have called for their citizens to avoid travel to Lebanon.
AlphDoti
#96 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:03:20 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Quote:
The human mind works in strange ways. Whenever a person -- even a highly trained scientist -- starts an investigation based upon prior presuppositions, he is likely to try to make the facts fit his presupposition rather than letting the facts lead him to the proper conclusion.

Of course it is only muslims who are objective and whose brains work right. Until they start chopping THEN their minds also work in strange ways, right?

@Burglar, chop what?

You just confirmed the quote, by posting "...based upon prior presuppositions" Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Chopping various things, wrists, necks etc. But Koran is the foundation upon which that presupposition firmly rests.

Facts firmly rests there, the two true authentic sources of Islam: the Quran, which is 100% the Word of God and the authentic Hadith, which is the words, saying and tradition of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Anything else is presumption and offers no solution to problems facing humanity today! No solution! Islam gives you an answer to this problem of theft.

I'm asking in this boasting of yours, what is the solution to this problem of theft?

NOTE: AND FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO MISUNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT IN ANYWAY SUGGESTING ANYTHING REGARDING SO CALLED SUNNI VS SHIA. I AM JUST RESPONDING TO COMMON DANGER OF PRESUPPOSITION.

Koran presupposes it has the answer to theft and offers a superficial suggestion that it insists is a solution. Because for one born without hands and has become adept in using other things, theft is still possible.

Quran gives a solution! I asked you what is your solution?

What you find is that, when the law is applied, you find the society rate of theft drops drastically. Because it creates a sense of security within a society. A society, where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, put on burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear of break-ins.

And if the person continues the crime even after all that is done, the law permits his execution. This means this is obviously a criminal who cannot be reformed, because he's a danger to the society and no way of controlling him. So that individual's life is taken for the protection of the society.

NOTE: even you, as your name suggests, if you continue to carry out with "Burglary", then you would face execution. No one wants Burglars Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

A 'solution' that only 'drops' rates is no solution. A solution solves a problem i.e. there should be no 'problem' after a 'solution' is implemented. Yours is a fake solution. A placebo. But so long as you kill each other, fine by me.

Implement that and you will see the problem going away. Those who witness it, will think twice before trying anything like that.

Quote "...Today, set some boundaries. As hard as it seems, set them with human dignity. You’ll find that, just like water, the Light will find its level." Karen Berg

Otherwise, complaining without offering a better solution is the biggest waste of time. Either do something about it, and if you can’t, shut up about it.
AlphDoti
#97 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:22:32 AM
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¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
@AlphDoti - http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&m=713958#post713958

¿ wrote:
Arab foreign ministers accuse Iran of undermining regional security

Quote:
"Iran has to decide what kind of neighbor it wants to be: a good neighbor or a chaotic neighbor and so far it behaves like the latter," UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan said following an emergency Arab League meeting in Cairo.
Quote:
If Iran continues to support "terrorism, sectarianism and violence", it would face opposition from all Arab countries, Jubeir told a news conference following the meeting.

¿ wrote:
Iran foreign minister accuses Saudi Arabia of 'hatred and sectarianism'

Mohammad Javad Zarif: Saudi Arabia’s Reckless Extremism

Quote:
The Saudi leadership must now make a choice: They can continue supporting extremists and promoting sectarian hatred; or they can opt to play a constructive role in promoting regional stability. We hope that reason will prevail.


I'll wait and see how those solutions play out in the middle east.

You will wait until Jesus (pbuh) comes back. The Sunnis and Shias is a MYTH. The Truth is about POWER. It is POLITICS! POLITICS! POLITICS!

I said that here...

What you are suggesting is that you can separate Islam from politics/power when there is little to no separation of mosque and state.

No, you cannot separate Islam and the state. In Islam, the management of the affairs of the people (which you call politics), should be according to the Quran and the Sunnah.

Unfortunately, regarding the Middle-East, its leaders have ignored the Quran and Hadith in most of their undertakings... Just take an example of Quranic teachings on unity and brotherhood, which they do not follow.

Instead, they follow Western ideals.

When things are good it's Islam. When things are bad it's the leaders and western ideals. Why are these leaders so hell bent on spreading Islam and the solutions it offers to the rest of the world?

It is true the law in some of these countries is Sharia, but unfortunately this only applies to the "wananchi". The leaders are not spreading Islam. The Saudi Kingdom for example, is there because it safeguards the U.S and Britain interests. What can you expect from them?

Gadaffi was very right about them.

May Allah help them to overcome their shortcomings.
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#98 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:12:37 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
@AlphDoti - http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&m=713958#post713958

¿ wrote:
Arab foreign ministers accuse Iran of undermining regional security

Quote:
"Iran has to decide what kind of neighbor it wants to be: a good neighbor or a chaotic neighbor and so far it behaves like the latter," UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan said following an emergency Arab League meeting in Cairo.
Quote:
If Iran continues to support "terrorism, sectarianism and violence", it would face opposition from all Arab countries, Jubeir told a news conference following the meeting.

¿ wrote:
Iran foreign minister accuses Saudi Arabia of 'hatred and sectarianism'

Mohammad Javad Zarif: Saudi Arabia’s Reckless Extremism

Quote:
The Saudi leadership must now make a choice: They can continue supporting extremists and promoting sectarian hatred; or they can opt to play a constructive role in promoting regional stability. We hope that reason will prevail.


I'll wait and see how those solutions play out in the middle east.

You will wait until Jesus (pbuh) comes back. The Sunnis and Shias is a MYTH. The Truth is about POWER. It is POLITICS! POLITICS! POLITICS!

I said that here...

What you are suggesting is that you can separate Islam from politics/power when there is little to no separation of mosque and state.

No, you cannot separate Islam and the state. In Islam, the management of the affairs of the people (which you call politics), should be according to the Quran and the Sunnah.

Unfortunately, regarding the Middle-East, its leaders have ignored the Quran and Hadith in most of their undertakings... Just take an example of Quranic teachings on unity and brotherhood, which they do not follow.

Instead, they follow Western ideals.

When things are good it's Islam. When things are bad it's the leaders and western ideals. Why are these leaders so hell bent on spreading Islam and the solutions it offers to the rest of the world?

It is true the law in some of these countries is Sharia, but unfortunately this only applies to the "wananchi". The leaders are not spreading Islam. The Saudi Kingdom for example, is there because it safeguards the U.S and Britain interests. What can you expect from them?

Gadaffi was very right about them.

May Allah help them to overcome their shortcomings.


Go back to the link in red.Like you,the leaders are also spreading Islam and it's solutions.Some wananchi are implementing those solutions. If these leaders are only interested in politics and power then they are spending a lot of resources just to keep people busy.
AlphDoti
#99 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 4:50:49 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
AlphDoti wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:

A 'solution' that only 'drops' rates is no solution. A solution solves a problem i.e. there should be no 'problem' after a 'solution' is implemented. Yours is a fake solution. A placebo. But so long as you kill each other, fine by me.

Implement that and you will see the problem going away. Those who witness it, will think twice before trying anything like that.

Quote "...Today, set some boundaries. As hard as it seems, set them with human dignity. You’ll find that, just like water, the Light will find its level." Karen Berg

Otherwise, complaining without offering a better solution is the biggest waste of time. Either do something about it, and if you can’t, shut up about it.

@burglar, look at the below. What solution do you have for such? How do you ensure 'no problem' after your 'solution'? This is just an example.

WARNING: VIEWER DISCRETION. DISTURBING TREATMENT OF A GRANNY.


Anti_Burglar
#100 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2016 4:55:32 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
¿ wrote:
@AlphDoti - http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&m=713958#post713958

¿ wrote:
Arab foreign ministers accuse Iran of undermining regional security

Quote:
"Iran has to decide what kind of neighbor it wants to be: a good neighbor or a chaotic neighbor and so far it behaves like the latter," UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan said following an emergency Arab League meeting in Cairo.
Quote:
If Iran continues to support "terrorism, sectarianism and violence", it would face opposition from all Arab countries, Jubeir told a news conference following the meeting.

¿ wrote:
Iran foreign minister accuses Saudi Arabia of 'hatred and sectarianism'

Mohammad Javad Zarif: Saudi Arabia’s Reckless Extremism

Quote:
The Saudi leadership must now make a choice: They can continue supporting extremists and promoting sectarian hatred; or they can opt to play a constructive role in promoting regional stability. We hope that reason will prevail.


I'll wait and see how those solutions play out in the middle east.

You will wait until Jesus (pbuh) comes back. The Sunnis and Shias is a MYTH. The Truth is about POWER. It is POLITICS! POLITICS! POLITICS!

I said that here...

What you are suggesting is that you can separate Islam from politics/power when there is little to no separation of mosque and state.

No, you cannot separate Islam and the state. In Islam, the management of the affairs of the people (which you call politics), should be according to the Quran and the Sunnah.

Unfortunately, regarding the Middle-East, its leaders have ignored the Quran and Hadith in most of their undertakings... Just take an example of Quranic teachings on unity and brotherhood, which they do not follow.

Instead, they follow Western ideals.

When things are good it's Islam. When things are bad it's the leaders and western ideals. Why are these leaders so hell bent on spreading Islam and the solutions it offers to the rest of the world?

It is true the law in some of these countries is Sharia, but unfortunately this only applies to the "wananchi". The leaders are not spreading Islam. The Saudi Kingdom for example, is there because it safeguards the U.S and Britain interests. What can you expect from them?

Gadaffi was very right about them.

May Allah help them to overcome their shortcomings.


I just have not yet offered my proposed solution, just criticizing yours. So there are no cases of theft in your areas? Zero? Zilch?
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