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Waiguru qualifies for Nairobi kind of Governor
murchr
#241 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:29:26 PM
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maka wrote:


Duale awache sideshows, this thing should be expedited in court. Mutunga set up an anti-corruption court with qualified judges not big stinking mouths like Duale's.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#242 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:31:28 PM
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Do you now see why Mangiti was very inconsistent on his testimonies about buying tvs pianos and sex-toys?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#243 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:42:47 PM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:


Duale awache sideshows, this thing should be expedited in court. Mutunga set up an anti-corruption court with qualified judges not big stinking mouths like Duale's.



possunt quia posse videntur
hardwood
#244 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:48:00 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:


Duale awache sideshows, this thing should be expedited in court. Mutunga set up an anti-corruption court with qualified judges not big stinking mouths like Duale's.





Not so soon. We are reopening the kazi kwa vijana file. Baba should explain the stealing of the 12B Youth funds.
Impunity
#245 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:49:06 PM
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timizo wrote:
Let me say something that will attract the worst Matusis here. You are free to ask the admin to block my membership. For your benefit, I come from central region of our country.

Waiguru has been consistent throughout. She first indicated that no money was lost because they had successfully stopped the payments that are indicated in Harakhe's Letters. When the CID was investigating the issue of who had stolen Harakhe's Passwords they discovered that actually, there were some payments that had already been processed and paid out. That is when she came out and said, "Yes, I thought we had stopped the payments but in the course of investigating how Harakes password was stolen the CID discovered that there was money that had already been paid out".
By the time the CID finally traced the bank account of Kabura, the accounts had been cleaned to zero most of it withdrawn in cash.

Where does Raila come in? I believe Raila did not at that time have the fine details of who was involved and he was not even 100% sure if money was stolen and if stolen, by who. In any case, he was more interested in scoring Political Points. But it was good he helped put pressure. The problem that we have is that we believe Politicians 100%. True the pressure helped but the target was misplaced. If today Raila stood up and said he was wrong and Waiguru's version is the correct one, Waiguru will become a Hero instantly .... but maybe he will not. The risk of acknowledging a mistake is that we may not trust him in the future.

How will Raila respond going forward now that it appears that he was blaming a more junior CS and there is an opportunity to go for a bigger Kill i.e the DP and the House Majority Leader. He will weigh his options and decide what provides him with more political killer blow and advantage.

Harake is actually they guy who messed all the thieves. The only support he got was from Waiguru.

Was the President aware of Harakhe and Waiguru's side of the story. I cannot say at what time he became aware of it but it is almost certain that by the time Waiguru resigned, the President had been given all the details by none other than Waiguru. What did the President do? Just like Kibaki in the Githongo issue, the President most likely hoped it will die away. In any case, he knew he was in power with the help of the other coalition that was being accused.

Many people feel for Uhuru because they believe he is clean.
The question is, if it has always been public knowledge about the thieving ways of the leader of that other coalition, why did he team up with him? Is he like him or was he too desperate to become President?

Back to Raila. If he is Mr Clean, why did he also team up with the Rift Man at one time when he already knew his ways? Why is it that when the Kaazi kwa vijana scandal came to light, he asked that it be investigated by the efficiency monitoring unit a department under him while he demands that he can only accept a report from a private external audit firm? On the issue of a private external audit firm, I actually agree with him but I hope he would be consistent.

Which affidavit should we believe, Waigurus, Kaburas, both or none? Let's first get it that these affidavits have been filed in a civil matter not a the criminal case. The EACC will investigate the contents and test each of the affidavits. No one is going to be jailed just because there is an affidavit with no backup. The contents of these affidavits will be tested and I have a feeling Kabura's would have nothing to back it up with .... So Waiguru will not be convicted on the NYS issue as we may want because the fact is she was never involved. We will get angry with the EACC, CID etc... in any case, our politicians will tell us so. We will disband EACC, change the people who investigated etc. The kaburas, and team might be convicted but not the main players i.e the Politicians - they covered their tracks well.

In this deal, Waiguru and Harake are the spoilers. Kabura, Gethi and team are the fronts and they have the backup of the real players (Politicians) who are getting over 70% of the loot.

Only civil servants, the Gethis, Kabura, may be convicted. We will definitely be asked by out politicians to demand the blood of CID officers and EACC officers who investigated this for doing their Job as required. Kabura's affidavit will be cited to accomplish this notwithstanding that it is inspired by the political establishment to punish those who caused all this to happen to them. Of course there will be no evidence to convict the CID and EACC guys because no wrong was done but because of public pressure, they will be told to leave their Jobs. Come 2017, we will be fighting to determine which tribal team we feel comfortable robbing us while calling them our saviours.

Because of this, we will keep inviting or being invited by our struggling friends and relatives to medical fundraisers because we like it when our tribemate politicians steal what the government should have paid for our medical cost.



Nditto!!!
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kollabo
#246 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:49:25 PM
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timizo wrote:


Harake is actually they guy who messed all the thieves. The only support he got was from Waiguru.

Was the President aware of Harakhe and Waiguru's side of the story.

The question is, if it has always been public knowledge about the thieving ways of the leader of that other coalition, why did he team up with him? Is he like him or was he too desperate to become President?

In this deal, Waiguru and Harake are the spoilers. Kabura, Gethi and team are the fronts and they have the backup of the real players (Politicians) who are getting over 70% of the loot.

....we like it when our tribemate politicians steal what the government should have paid for our medical cost.




I will not throw Matusi at you. You have put it very well.
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murchr
#247 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:51:51 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:


Duale awache sideshows, this thing should be expedited in court. Mutunga set up an anti-corruption court with qualified judges not big stinking mouths like Duale's.





Unfortunately baba is also used by cartels
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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washiku
#248 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:54:56 PM
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Press Statement By Senator Kipchumba Murkomen – February 24th 2016
I have seen, through Social Media, an affidavit that has been attributed to former Cabinet Secretary, Anne Waiguru and I wish to state as follows:
At the material time stated on the affidavit, Ben Gethi approached the Law Firm of Sing’oei, Murkomen & Sigei Advocates for representation at the formative stages of the NYS investigations and in due course he moved on to other law firms. As lawyers, we are sworn to provide legal services to anyone that comes to us. Constitutionally, everyone is entitled to legal representation and is presumed innocent, until proven guilty, including the former CS herself.
I wish to also make it clear that at no time was the law firm Sing’oei, Murkomen & Sigei Advocates a contractor or supplier of NYS.
At no time did I threaten, intimidate or harass any public officer or civil servant. I’m also not aware of any police report that has been filed to indicate that I threatened anyone in the course of executing their duties.
For the record I was not part of the group that is claimed to have been orchestrating her removal from office. Her insinuation that I was also part of her impeachment proceedings could not be further from the truth.
The questions raised by Ms Josephine Kabura are immense, weighty and of great public interest and out of respect for the people of Kenya, they require straight and honest answers. These smoke and mirrors side shows trying to politicise the issue will not help in the quest of truth and accountability.
Ms. Waiguru should stop resorting to diversionary tactics and pitting the coalition partners against each other. That will not work as we are above that.
Thank You.
Senator Kipchumba Murkomen
Deputy Majority Leader, The Senate
washiku
#249 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:57:11 PM
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Swenani
#250 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:02:12 PM
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timizo wrote:
Let me say something that will attract the worst Matusis here. You are free to ask the admin to block my membership. For your benefit, I come from central region of our country.This is irrelevant information

Waiguru has been consistent throughout. She first indicated that no money was lost because they had successfully stopped the payments that are indicated in Harakhe's Letters. When the CID was investigating the issue of who had stolen Harakhe's Passwords they discovered that actually, there were some payments that had already been processed and paid out. That is when she came out and said, "Yes, I thought we had stopped the payments but in the course of investigating how Harakes password was stolen the CID discovered that there was money that had already been paid out".
By the time the CID finally traced the bank account of Kabura, the accounts had been cleaned to zero most of it withdrawn in cash.-What I'm pondering on is
1. How over Kshs 791M was withdrawn over the counter without BFIU raising an issue over a period of 4 months?
2.How Harakhe's password was stolen, I would have believed him if he claimed it was hacked.
3. How does the government make payments? Does each ministry have a bank account where they make payments from or all ministries forward their payments to treasury for payment?If the ministries make payments from their own accounts, how is it possible that over kshs 700M was paid without no one at the ministry noticing only for an outside(CID) to come and tell them of the already made payments?


Where does Raila come in? I believe Raila did not at that time have the fine details of who was involved and he was not even 100% sure if money was stolen and if stolen, by who. In any case, he was more interested in scoring Political Points. But it was good he helped put pressure. The problem that we have is that we believe Politicians 100%. True the pressure helped but the target was misplaced. If today Raila stood up and said he was wrong and Waiguru's version is the correct one, Waiguru will become a Hero instantly .... but maybe he will not. The risk of acknowledging a mistake is that we may not trust him in the future.-Any serious opposition will always want to settle political scores or political punches by claiming/proving that the incumbent government is not capable just like the chapanese govt of UK

How will Raila respond going forward now that it appears that he was blaming a more junior CS and there is an opportunity to go for a bigger Kill i.e the DP and the House Majority Leader. He will weigh his options and decide what provides him with more political killer blow and advantage.How do you know wamayuu is safi kama pamba?

Harake is actually they guy who messed all the thieves. The only support he got was from Waiguru.-How do you know this?

Was the President aware of Harakhe and Waiguru's side of the story. I cannot say at what time he became aware of it but it is almost certain that by the time Waiguru resigned, the President had been given all the details by none other than Waiguru. What did the President do? Just like Kibaki in the Githongo issue, the President most likely hoped it will die away. In any case, he knew he was in power with the help of the other coalition that was being accused.-The president is or rather should always be aware if at all our NIS is working since this kind of fraud/corruption is a threat to National security and stability

Many people feel for Uhuru because they believe he is clean.
The question is, if it has always been public knowledge about the thieving ways of the leader of that other coalition, why did he team up with him? Is he like him or was he too desperate to become President?-Who are many people?, please exclude my family, Martha Karua and myself from that uninformed generalization

Back to Raila. If he is Mr Clean, why did he also team up with the Rift Man at one time when he already knew his ways? Why is it that when the Kaazi kwa vijana scandal came to light, he asked that it be investigated by the efficiency monitoring unit a department under him while he demands that he can only accept a report from a private external audit firm? On the issue of a private external audit firm, I actually agree with him but I hope he would be consistent.-Why and how are you blaming Raila, blame the weak opposition at the time, Raila as with any other politician was just looking after his personal interests

Which affidavit should we believe, Waigurus, Kaburas, both or none? Let's first get it that these affidavits have been filed in a civil matter not a the criminal case. The EACC will investigate the contents and test each of the affidavits. No one is going to be jailed just because there is an affidavit with no backup. The contents of these affidavits will be tested and I have a feeling Kabura's would have nothing to back it up with .... So Waiguru will not be convicted on the NYS issue as we may want because the fact is she was never involved. We will get angry with the EACC, CID etc... in any case, our politicians will tell us so. We will disband EACC, change the people who investigated etc. The kaburas, and team might be convicted but not the main players i.e the Politicians - they covered their tracks well.-If you are going to believe one affidavit, then it's only fair that you believe all affidavits and vice versa; otherwise enjoy the comedy and save your 50 bob money you would have spent on movies

In this deal, Waiguru and Harake are the spoilers. Kabura, Gethi and team are the fronts and they have the backup of the real players (Politicians) who are getting over 70% of the loot.I think it's wrong to accept one affidavit as the truth over the other.In my opinion, all these are just sharks eating each other(I could be wrong but I'm not)

Only civil servants, the Gethis, Kabura, may be convicted. We will definitely be asked by out politicians to demand the blood of CID officers and EACC officers who investigated this for doing their Job as required. Kabura's affidavit will be cited to accomplish this notwithstanding that it is inspired by the political establishment to punish those who caused all this to happen to them. Of course there will be no evidence to convict the CID and EACC guys because no wrong was done but because of public pressure, they will be told to leave their Jobs. Come 2017, we will be fighting to determine which tribal team we feel comfortable robbing us while calling them our saviours-This is the comedy I keep talking about, If you want to know how political cleansing happens read "Its our time to eat", soiled politicians become safi kama pamba using our tax funded institutions

Because of this, we will keep inviting or being invited by our struggling friends and relatives to medical fundraisers because we like it when our tribemate politicians steal what the government should have paid for our medical cost.



I think this is almost an objective opinion with minor goggles on
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