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timuka
#1 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2016 6:54:24 PM
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This is bound to get interesting, if the crowds Besigye is pulling is anything to go by...








However,...
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 10:36:34 AM
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The presidential debate was nice. Museveni was in the house.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 12:18:34 PM
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No Contest.No prizes for guessing the winner.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 12:42:46 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
No Contest.No prizes for guessing the winner.


Kweli kabisa.

Wa, cash and other goods flowing to a politician from a peasant? I was surprised that peasants actually attend his rallies to give him cash and other donations to campaign...such an alien concept here much akin to that one of why men have nipples, mimi owes understand.


http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/13ed70f/-/index.html
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 12:44:09 PM
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Watched the debate on Sato but unfortunately, this one is over even before it begins. M7 will win easily.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 1:13:28 PM
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 1:58:36 PM
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#8 Posted : Monday, February 15, 2016 4:37:02 PM
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 8:32:36 AM
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:19:40 PM
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Jubilee MPs exporting Kenya tribalism to Uganda and generally meddling in Uganda affairs to prop up a corrupt president is a new low for Kenya. I am guessing they are worried that Bessigye could end up being another Magufuli type who tackles corruption which will make Jubilee look bad. Magufuli is showing that corruption can be tackled. I do not expect the Kenya gava to invite him to Kenya any time soon.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:35:34 PM
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Democracy is so transparent in Uganda you can clearly see M7 winning the elections.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:43:27 PM
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Alba wrote:
Jubilee MPs exporting Kenya tribalism to Uganda and generally meddling in Uganda affairs to prop up a corrupt president is a new low for Kenya. I am guessing they are worried that Bessigye could end up being another Magufuli type who tackles corruption which will make Jubilee look bad. Magufuli is showing that corruption can be tackled. I do not expect the Kenya gava to invite him to Kenya any time soon.


RAO has also previously invited opposition leaders from other countries during his campaigns/odm functions....
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Alba
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:41:07 PM
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TAZ wrote:
Alba wrote:
Jubilee MPs exporting Kenya tribalism to Uganda and generally meddling in Uganda affairs to prop up a corrupt president is a new low for Kenya. I am guessing they are worried that Bessigye could end up being another Magufuli type who tackles corruption which will make Jubilee look bad. Magufuli is showing that corruption can be tackled. I do not expect the Kenya gava to invite him to Kenya any time soon.


RAO has also previously invited opposition leaders from other countries during his campaigns/odm functions....


If RAO went to foreign countries and promoted Kenyan style tribalism in other countries or helped prop up corrupt leaders then he is also wrong. And shame on him and ODM. You tell us if ODM has done so.

I would not have a problem if Jubilee invited museveni to a jubilee function. But encouraging tribal voting in uganda is shameful. Directly meddling to promote a corrupt leader is embarrasing. Jubilee is basically working overtime to infect Uganda with what is essentially Kenya's worst and most debilitating disease.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:43:08 PM
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Alba wrote:
Jubilee MPs exporting Kenya tribalism to Uganda and generally meddling in Uganda affairs to prop up a corrupt president is a new low for Kenya. I am guessing they are worried that Bessigye could end up being another Magufuli type who tackles corruption which will make Jubilee look bad. Magufuli is showing that corruption can be tackled. I do not expect the Kenya gava to invite him to Kenya any time soon.

While i think it's not in our best interest to meddle (publicly) in our biggest trading partner's internal affairs - how is that "exporting tribalism"?
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:27:50 PM
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@Masukuma

Here are some excerprts from the Daily Nation report

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The Sabiny and the Nandi from which Mr Ruto comes, belong to the larger Kalenjin group, and it is clear Mr Museveni is keen to play this ethnic card to win over the community where Mbabazi has significant support.


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“Leadership is about service and should not be abused. Unity among Sabaot (including Sabiny/Sebei in Uganda) is key for development of the region and supporting Museveni is very vital if Sebei is to develop,” the report quotes Mr Ruto to have told the meetings.


These are direct Kenya style tribal appeals aimed at creating tribal blocs and encouraging Ugandans to vote only on tribal basis.

So it appears that Museveni was impressed with how leaders in Kenya are elected because they are adept at exploiting tribal rifts. So he wants the master of tribal division to export his trade to Uganda

Now if Wetangula ever goes to conduct similar tribal campaigns among the Bagisu or RAO among the Jopadhola or Awori among the Saamia then shame on all involved.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:37:43 PM
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Alba wrote:
@Masukuma

Here are some excerprts from the Daily Nation report

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The Sabiny and the Nandi from which Mr Ruto comes, belong to the larger Kalenjin group, and it is clear Mr Museveni is keen to play this ethnic card to win over the community where Mbabazi has significant support.


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“Leadership is about service and should not be abused. Unity among Sabaot (including Sabiny/Sebei in Uganda) is key for development of the region and supporting Museveni is very vital if Sebei is to develop,” the report quotes Mr Ruto to have told the meetings.


These are direct Kenya style tribal appeals aimed at creating tribal blocs.

So it appears that Museveni was impressed with how leaders in Kenya are elected because they are adept at exploiting tribal rifts. So he wants the master of tribal division to export his trade to Uganda

Now if Wetangula ever goes to conduct similar tribal campaigns among the Bagisu or RAO among the Jopadhola or Awori among the Saamia then shame on all involved.



Kenya’s Raila joins Museveni in campaigns.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:46:45 PM
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@Washiku
Perhaps you should go past the sensational headline and read the article. It does not say RAO asked Ugandans to vote for anyone.

It says he went to Uganda to thank Ugandans for taking him and hosting him when he fled Kenya and also to tell Ugandans to vote wisely.

And the article is from 2010 and has no references to tribal appeals so Im not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:21:10 PM
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Alba wrote:
@Washiku
Perhaps you should go past the sensational headline and read the article. It does not say RAO asked Ugandans to vote for anyone.

It says he went to Uganda to thank Ugandans for taking him and hosting him when he fled Kenya and also to tell Ugandans to vote wisely.

And the article is from 2010 and has no references to tribal appeals so Im not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.

Both PNU and ODM sides of the grand COLLUSION gava campaigned for M7 in 2010
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:38:58 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Alba wrote:
@Washiku
Perhaps you should go past the sensational headline and read the article. It does not say RAO asked Ugandans to vote for anyone.

It says he went to Uganda to thank Ugandans for taking him and hosting him when he fled Kenya and also to tell Ugandans to vote wisely.

And the article is from 2010 and has no references to tribal appeals so Im not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.

Both PNU and ODM sides of the grand COLLUSION gava campaigned for M7 in 2010

@alba can only see things in his own way, any other is wrong.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 11:03:16 PM
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Alba wrote:
@Masukuma

Here are some excerprts from the Daily Nation report

Quote:
The Sabiny and the Nandi from which Mr Ruto comes, belong to the larger Kalenjin group, and it is clear Mr Museveni is keen to play this ethnic card to win over the community where Mbabazi has significant support.


Quote:
“Leadership is about service and should not be abused. Unity among Sabaot (including Sabiny/Sebei in Uganda) is key for development of the region and supporting Museveni is very vital if Sebei is to develop,” the report quotes Mr Ruto to have told the meetings.


These are direct Kenya style tribal appeals aimed at creating tribal blocs and encouraging Ugandans to vote only on tribal basis.

So it appears that Museveni was impressed with how leaders in Kenya are elected because they are adept at exploiting tribal rifts. So he wants the master of tribal division to export his trade to Uganda

Now if Wetangula ever goes to conduct similar tribal campaigns among the Bagisu or RAO among the Jopadhola or Awori among the Saamia then shame on all involved.

Interestingly enough I was in Kampala during that period of time and my discussions with my designated cab guy on numerous topics including the ethnic dimensions of the election and he told me ethnicity has never been an issue. And yes statements such as
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Leadership is about service and should not be abused. Unity among Sabaot (including Sabiny/Sebei in Uganda) is key for development of the region and supporting Museveni is very vital if Sebei is to develop

are exporting ethnic divisiveness by urging insular thinking and considerations in a country that did not have this as a default.

On another note:
The Kalenjin superethnic group exists only in Kenya - why? coz it was made up! Kinda like the "Luhyas" - all creations of the Mkoloni. Secondly, also don't use the term 'tribe', use 'ethnic group' since the groups one is talking about are as distinct as the scots, welsh or the catalan!
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