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The Kenyan Lawyer.So So Sad
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:33:30 AM
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The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their age. With suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!
XSK
#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:55:32 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their age. With suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!


Are you a young lawyer?
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
sparkly
#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:09:32 AM
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Definitely a young lawyer. Laughing out loudly
Life is short. Live passionately.
popat
#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:39:38 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their age. With suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!

This is the problem of thinking that you can make it big in a career within the first year of employment. Just like in other careers one needs to face it rough at first.Its what we call experience.Pesa baadaye.
Swenani
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:09:34 AM
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@Maka is lucky, He works for Cliff Ombeta and he gets a crying allowance depending with how many times he shed tears on TV for a client.

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Risasi Sufuri
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:40:03 AM
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Joined: 12/8/2015
Posts: 166
popat wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their age. With suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!

This is the problem of thinking that you can make it big in a career within the first year of employment. Just like in other careers one needs to face it rough at first.Its what we call experience.Pesa baadaye.


This is a good discussion. A look at the figures they are extremely low compared to the qualification.
Sven Thoreksson
#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:04:46 AM
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Such are the woes of all Kenyan graduates who have done the so called prestigious courses.ie law, engineering, Medicine etc You slave for 5yrs to get enslaved on the basis of gaining experience.
Sevian
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:46:07 AM
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Is this "unyanyasaji" of new graduates any different in developed nations? The U.K. is having beef with junior doctors who feel overworked and underpaid.
It's as if the social-economic law of gravity has changed: pick speed as you fall (progress) down the career path, with a peak speed (earning). Motion starts at zero or near-zero, and often accelerates to dizzying speeds (and we know there are crazy employment income figures).
I doubt if we can change this trend, because the new graduands are often at 10% practical knowledge till experience takes of (creating the boost in income).
Pay is very much a demand-supply driven variable. Unless govt wants to intentionally shift this curve. And i doubt the current govt or its alternative can engage issues that deep
Swenani
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:43:19 AM
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Sven Thoreksson wrote:
Such are the woes of all Kenyan graduates who have done the so called prestigious courses.ie law, engineering, Medicine etc You slave for 5yrs to get enslaved on the basis of gaining experience.



People are better off taking biz courses, they end up managing those who took prestigious courses,

An entry position for an accounts assistant is 80K!(Not the wahindi and okuyo run family establishments)
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
kayhara
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:01:33 PM
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Okay I am no lawyer, but I can advise don't enter a firm looking for a big salary enter wanting to be a part of the firm, any firm welcomes new business and unless you were just drinking and partying in campus you should know a few guys with problems and some chums and they need a lawyer, ask the boss what they would give you if you get them new business, if you happen to bring in a big one the firm starts to treat your pocket better.
But make sure you have an agreement first otherwise you will be very bitter for getting millions for your firm and getting your 5k at the end of the month.
To Each His Own
Bykhovets
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:52:09 PM
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Sven Thoreksson wrote:
Such are the woes of all Kenyan graduates who have done the so called prestigious courses.ie law, engineering, Medicine etc You slave for 5yrs to get enslaved on the basis of gaining experience.


Slavery? Sad

What you talking about?

Interns at a government hospital earn 95k net. After internship for 1 year, their pay goes up to 110k net.
"Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
Swenani
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:32:10 PM
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kayhara wrote:
Okay I am no lawyer, but I can advise don't enter a firm looking for a big salary enter wanting to be a part of the firm, any firm welcomes new business and unless you were just drinking and partying in campus you should know a few guys with problems and some chums and they need a lawyer, ask the boss what they would give you if you get them new business, if you happen to bring in a big one the firm starts to treat your pocket better.
But make sure you have an agreement first otherwise you will be very bitter for getting millions for your firm and getting your 5k at the end of the month.


Nolle prosequi for our young lawyerssmile smile smile
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
kaka2za
#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 4:52:16 PM
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Depends on your luck .There is no career that guarantees success.
There will be poor and rich lawyers, accountants, engineers, teachers,drivers . A driver at the UN probably earns more than some bankers.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
kayhara
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 4:58:15 PM
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Swenani wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Okay I am no lawyer, but I can advise don't enter a firm looking for a big salary enter wanting to be a part of the firm, any firm welcomes new business and unless you were just drinking and partying in campus you should know a few guys with problems and some chums and they need a lawyer, ask the boss what they would give you if you get them new business, if you happen to bring in a big one the firm starts to treat your pocket better.
But make sure you have an agreement first otherwise you will be very bitter for getting millions for your firm and getting your 5k at the end of the month.


Nolle prosequi for our young lawyerssmile smile smile

maneno makubwa,do you want to scare me?
To Each His Own
maka
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:11:55 PM
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Swenani wrote:
@Maka is lucky, He works for Cliff Ombeta and he gets a crying allowance depending with how many times he shed tears on TV for a client.



smile
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Njung'e
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:00:20 PM
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maka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
@Maka is lucky, He works for Cliff Ombeta and he gets a crying allowance depending with how many times he shed tears on TV for a client.



smile


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Huyu Sorcerer si ana maneno.
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Jinomoja
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Sven Thoreksson wrote:
Such are the woes of all Kenyan graduates who have done the so called prestigious courses.ie law, engineering, Medicine etc You slave for 5yrs to get enslaved on the basis of gaining experience.



People are better off taking biz courses, they end up managing those who took prestigious courses,

An entry position for an accounts assistant is 80K!(Not the wahindi and okuyo run family establishments)




The number of companies that pay 80k for an accounts assistant are very few.

Generally, most companies start their beginners at around 15k - 30k.

Boris Boyka
#18 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:31:47 AM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet . a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their ageWith suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i had to lol! Nature is very fair. It humbles the proud. Imagine a fresh young lawyer earning 100k plus in net salary immediately after graduating?
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
alma1
#19 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:54:11 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
The Young Lawyer

Prospects of being a lawyer is having a big car, big house, sizeable spouse and healthy kids who attend those schools.
But before then, a lawyer is sufferer.
After reading law for five years, one is expected to go for pupilage.
This pupilage stage is where most students wished they could have done "lighter courses"
At the ODPP there's no pay, you just work hoping they'll absorb you later.
At the AGs a lawyer is paid 10k, then you're posted anywhere in the country. How you transport yourself and your stuff there is your own typhoid.
The biggest taker of pupils are law firms.
Good law firms in Nairobi pay between 20 - 30k. Houses in Nairobi may consume half of that, u have to walk long distances at lunch hour to look for pocket friendly vibandas. Then you have to wake up before the birds to pay fair fare or you just pretend you want to avoid jam. Law firms in Nairobi that pay 10k and below should be evacuated because they are spoiling the name of the capital city.
In up country, some law firms are courageous enough to pay 5k to a degree holder. That 5k is not paid at once, some months you can even go without it.
Surely how do these law firms expect people to live?
You meet . a class mate who all over sudden looks twice their ageWith suits that passed retirement age two years ago. Shoes are not totally worn out because lawyers are thin and light. Suits have changed colors thrice from the original color.
The firms expect you to smile as you welcome clients. How can someone who ate nothing smile,? They keep thinking how much they owe the owner of madondo hotel, many wishing they were tunoi.
Some students have eaten greens so much so that they spit green saliva.
Some have entered MoU with kibanda proprietor so that they can eat and pay later whenever they use their wits in the firms to get money through other unorthodox means.
Mama mboga has her book where she records her debtors. The column of a lawyer she writes: wakili wa suti brown. Because there are several other lawyers in her book.
People from village keep sending you harambee cards for various projects. Some have so much faith in you that the make you guest of honor: Hon. Mwesimiwa wakili Ochi Baba- Guest of Honor.
Some concerned Aunties also tempt you with suitable spouses, wondering what you're waiting for while your agemates have beaten homes with two wives.
But lawyers are resilent, I haven't any who has committed suicide despite the untold sufferings.
Keep up friends, tough times won't last forever!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly i had to lol! Nature is very fair. It humbles the proud. Imagine a fresh young lawyer earning 100k plus in net salary immediately after graduating?


This kid would go to Karumaindo like me
I'd say 300 bob, he'd 3000

smile
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Niko Salama
#20 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:46:50 AM
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I think there is a problem with the way the legal profession operates in Kenya
1. Lawyers cannot advertise in Kenya - I think this is a way through which big firms and "wenye profession" prevent any new entrants into the market - if any lawyer was allowed to advertise new tech savvy entrants can come in destabilize the old folk and big firms firm grip of the market - furthermore its so hard to get a lawyer when you are in need of one coz you don't know where to look ... but if they advertised even a new guy could be able to get a piece of the action

2. Lawyers have not been creative ... why cant a group of recent grandaunts band together and create a pool where groups that highly interact with the law can get affordable legal counsel at affordable prices ... if you get 3or 4 matatu SACCOs and tell them or their drivers to pay you a certain amount of money monthly/quarterly with the promise that if any of their matatus/drivers/touts is involved in incidences with the police/NTSA or accidents they are guaranteed of legal representation 24/7

just my thoughts ... this highly specialized professions (lawyers, doctors, engineers, carpenters, mechanics) are taught the theory part of the business but not how they can monetize their skills in the open market ...and that's why a good number of them can only function as employees
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