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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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That idiot of a President is inviting trouble for his poor country. What if the other EA countries kick Tanzanians out of their countries and even close borders? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Njung'e wrote:That idiot of a President is inviting trouble for his poor country. What if the other EA countries kick Tanzanians out of their countries and even close borders? The other countries should also reiterate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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hardwood wrote:Njung'e wrote:That idiot of a President is inviting trouble for his poor country. What if the other EA countries kick Tanzanians out of their countries and even close borders? The other countries should also reiterate. On this one I think I support Maghufuli. The order is for deportation of ILLEGAL immigrants without WORK permits. If a country has established laws about who is allowed to come into the country then it is only proper that those laws are enforced. I am glad that this is a government led directive as opposed to mob justice like in the case of South Africa. I have watched a youtube video where Daresaalam streets are full of Chinese owners of mitumba stalls. I am sure they see themselves as foreign investors but if the Tanzanian laws do not allow these kind of foreign investments then they have to go. Most countries have a minimum amount that one is required to bring in as a foreign investor and I am certain capital to set up a mtumba stall does not meet that threshhold. If it did Tanzania or any other African country would be overran by millions of Chinese.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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http://www.politics.co.k...throw-kenyans-tanzania/
They came for Jews ,I kept quiet because I was not a Jew then..... Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Kusadikika wrote:hardwood wrote:Njung'e wrote:That idiot of a President is inviting trouble for his poor country. What if the other EA countries kick Tanzanians out of their countries and even close borders? The other countries should also reiterate. On this one I think I support Maghufuli. The order is for deportation of ILLEGAL immigrants without WORK permits. If a country has established laws about who is allowed to come into the country then it is only proper that those laws are enforced. I am glad that this is a government led directive as opposed to mob justice like in the case of South Africa. I have watched a youtube video where Daresaalam streets are full of Chinese owners of mitumba stalls. I am sure they see themselves as foreign investors but if the Tanzanian laws do not allow these kind of foreign investments then they have to go. Most countries have a minimum amount that one is required to bring in as a foreign investor and I am certain capital to set up a mtumba stall does not meet that threshhold. If it did Tanzania or any other African country would be overran by millions of Chinese. He canceled temporary work permits
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/10/2008 Posts: 365
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first of all, @kaka2za, you have chosen to quote a website which we long ago decide not to quote,
about TZ, this is one over-sensationalized topic by the media in Tz, and subsequent reaction by social media in Kenya,
TZ government has not chased anyone(at least not yet), they have doing better implmentation of rules around immigration, anyone, kenyan or not, with their papers in order continues with their life as normal.
key changes:
*temporary work visa used to be given at the airport for 200usd, now they'll be applied before landing for 500usd, many other countries have the same rule
*people used to 'work' by renewing those temporary permits over and over again. this is now considered illegal instead full work permit is required.
*Seperate work permit and residency permit will be required
*work permits now have a 5 year total maximum renewable period
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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subzero wrote:first of all, @kaka2za, you have chosen to quote a website which we long ago decide not to quote,
about TZ, this is one over-sensationalized topic by the media in Tz, and subsequent reaction by social media in Kenya,
TZ government has not chased anyone(at least not yet), they have doing better implmentation of rules around immigration, anyone, kenyan or not, with their papers in order continues with their life as normal.
key changes:
*temporary work visa used to be given at the airport for 200usd, now they'll be applied before landing for 500usd, many other countries have the same rule
*people used to 'work' by renewing those temporary permits over and over again. this is now considered illegal instead full work permit is required.
*Seperate work permit and residency permit will be required
*work permits now have a 5 year total maximum renewable period That's the official position but am sure you know what 'uswahili' means. I know a few Kenyans who have worked in Dar for 2-3 years and their applications have been put on the ice. Wait until till you encounter idara ya uhamiaji na usalama wa taifa. Please avoid Masaki area hata kama una hati zote. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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kaka2za wrote:subzero wrote:first of all, @kaka2za, you have chosen to quote a website which we long ago decide not to quote,
about TZ, this is one over-sensationalized topic by the media in Tz, and subsequent reaction by social media in Kenya,
TZ government has not chased anyone(at least not yet), they have doing better implmentation of rules around immigration, anyone, kenyan or not, with their papers in order continues with their life as normal.
key changes:
*temporary work visa used to be given at the airport for 200usd, now they'll be applied before landing for 500usd, many other countries have the same rule
*people used to 'work' by renewing those temporary permits over and over again. this is now considered illegal instead full work permit is required.
*Seperate work permit and residency permit will be required
*work permits now have a 5 year total maximum renewable period That's the official position but am sure you know what 'uswahili' means. I know a few Kenyans who have worked in Dar for 2-3 years and their applications have been put on the ice. Wait until till you encounter idara ya uhamiaji na usalama wa taifa. Please avoid Masaki area hata kama una hati zote. Ohh dont say!!! Me huchapa malap hizo area...but i usually wear a Tanzanian Jersey so nobody ever suspects that am an alien...till i speak Swahili!! Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/10/2008 Posts: 365
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@kaka2za, so that's why you've posted rumours and undertones and traded that as an 'official position' and you know that it's not.
Fact is, what many people have been made to believe as a result of these media is not correct. Anyone who has their papers right does not have anything to worry about, Tz Govt has not and is not likely to do something as stupid as harassing anyone simply because they are a foreigner. @UpcomingPaperChaser, if you have your papers, relax. Even you as a kenyan tourist can visit that masaki.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Tanzania has slapped stringent restrictions on all diplomatic, consular missions and international organisations meetings with its officials as well as political leaders in the country, it has emerged.
The government says it will now clear all the planned activities of the foreign missions and international organisations, including who and when they meet leaders of the various political parties.
Also affected include appointments seeking audiences with the political leaders and members of Parliament during the ongoing Bunge sessions in Dodoma, says an official circular issued last week and seen by The Citizen.
The ministry of foreign affairs will be responsible for enforcing the rules that are spelt out in the notice issued to the institutions on January 28.
The move by the same ministry has apparently raffled members of the diplomatic corps, who were reportedly still not sure how to respond.
The circular further directed all members of the diplomatic corps to seek permission from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, East Africa, Regional and International Co-operation, before traveling upcountry and meeting any local government authorities or grassroot organisations.
From now henceforth, the government will not accept or process matters forwarded or copied to its from the embassies or organisations. The ministry will only accept and process original applications that should not also be copied beforehand to any entities.
“The Ministry is charged with forwarding the same to the relevant authorities and providing feedback. All communication that shall arrive at the Ministry bearing copied notification or that shall be submitted to the Ministry with notification of third party, not channelled through the Ministry as per procedure, shall not be accorded due diligence.’’ http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/11yg8nez/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I get the impression that most of the bile directed by Magufuli is from Uhuru supporters. Whereas Uhuru promised to clamp down on corruption and has so far only made tepid attempts, Magufuli is showing that fighting corruption in an African country is actually possible. Basically magufuli is making Uhuru and Museveni look bad. Far from turning Tanzania into another South Africa as some here are claiming, Magufuli is going to take TZ to greater heights. At the very least he is inspiring investor confidence. And that is worth a lot. Anyone who would even consider a corrupt act in TZ now will think twice, lest he is publicly humiliated. Whereas the world bank has reduced South Africa's GDP growth projections by from 2.2% to 1.2, they have increased Tanzania's GDP growth projects to 7.2% from 7%So while many here wish ill will on Magufuli, world bank experts are already projecting great things for TZ due to Magufuli. I hope Kenyans pay close attention. Here is a president actually delivering on election promises. And Tanzanians are better off for it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,729
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Alba wrote:I get the impression that most of the bile directed by Magufuli is from Uhuru supporters. Whereas Uhuru promised to clamp down on corruption and has so far only made tepid attempts, Magufuli is showing that fighting corruption in an African country is actually possible. Basically magufuli is making Uhuru and Museveni look bad. Far from turning Tanzania into another South Africa as some here are claiming, Magufuli is going to take TZ to greater heights. At the very least he is inspiring investor confidence. And that is worth a lot. Anyone who would even consider a corrupt act in TZ now will think twice, lest he is publicly humiliated. Whereas the world bank has reduced South Africa's GDP growth projections by from 2.2% to 1.2, they have increased Tanzania's GDP growth projects to 7.2% from 7%So while many here wish ill will on Magufuli, world bank experts are already projecting great things for TZ due to Magufuli. I hope Kenyans pay close attention. Here is a president actually delivering on election promises. And Tanzanians are better off for it. Am sure TZ dont have the kind of katimba we have, done by activists. This is our biggest undoing, we will take time to recover Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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freiks wrote:Alba wrote:I get the impression that most of the bile directed by Magufuli is from Uhuru supporters. Whereas Uhuru promised to clamp down on corruption and has so far only made tepid attempts, Magufuli is showing that fighting corruption in an African country is actually possible. Basically magufuli is making Uhuru and Museveni look bad. Far from turning Tanzania into another South Africa as some here are claiming, Magufuli is going to take TZ to greater heights. At the very least he is inspiring investor confidence. And that is worth a lot. Anyone who would even consider a corrupt act in TZ now will think twice, lest he is publicly humiliated. Whereas the world bank has reduced South Africa's GDP growth projections by from 2.2% to 1.2, they have increased Tanzania's GDP growth projects to 7.2% from 7%So while many here wish ill will on Magufuli, world bank experts are already projecting great things for TZ due to Magufuli. I hope Kenyans pay close attention. Here is a president actually delivering on election promises. And Tanzanians are better off for it. Am sure TZ dont have the kind of katimba we have, done by activists. This is our biggest undoing, we will take time to recover Our katiba is what will take us ahead of those Bongos. Stop this cheap labelling. Maghufuli has become an angel now?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I do not get this excuse about our katiba preventing the president from fighting corruption or waste. What specific article of the katiba prevents him from ordering an inquiry then firing corrupt officials?
Take for example the case of commissioners being paid Ksh 35m which is higher than what president Obama makes. Sarah Serem who is in charge of salaries claims she was not told about it. Which means there must have been a backroom deals. Why does'nt the president address this by ordering an inquiry and using the results of the inquiry to fire people or force them to step down.
Why for example can't the government find out who benefited from Waiguru's ksh 450,000 condom dispenser. whichever contractor benefited can be banned from doing business with gava. Whomever signed this deal should be fired with cause.
The gava is wasting so much money on wages and on corrupt deals. This is money that can be used to add more streetlights or even security cameras to prevent you from being mugged. Or it can be used to put more equipment in Kenyan hospitals or even build wider roads to alleviate traffic. you name it.
Kenyans penchant for tribal sycophancy and excusing corruption and waste is why you are constantly stuck in traffic, are being mugged and cannot get decent treatment medical treatment in Kenya.
All the good doctors have gone to Botswana, New Zealand and elsewhere because gava would rather pay Ksh 35m to commissioners who negotiate backroom deals instead of doctors who can save lives.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Alba wrote:I do not get this excuse about our katiba preventing the president from fighting corruption or waste. What specific article of the katiba prevents him from ordering an inquiry then firing corrupt officials?
Take for example the case of commissioners being paid Ksh 35m which is higher than what president Obama makes. Sarah Serem who is in charge of salaries claims she was not told about it. Which means there must have been a backroom deals. Why does'nt the president address this by ordering an inquiry and using the results of the inquiry to fire people or force them to step down.
Why for example can't the government find out who benefited from Waiguru's ksh 450,000 condom dispenser. whichever contractor benefited can be banned from doing business with gava. Whomever signed this deal should be fired with cause.
The gava is wasting so much money on wages and on corrupt deals. This is money that can be used to add more streetlights or even security cameras to prevent you from being mugged. Or it can be used to put more equipment in Kenyan hospitals or even build wider roads to alleviate traffic. you name it.
Kenyans penchant for tribal sycophancy and excusing corruption and waste is why you are constantly stuck in traffic, are being mugged and cannot get decent treatment medical treatment in Kenya.
All the good doctors have gone to Botswana, New Zealand and elsewhere because gava would rather pay Ksh 35m to commissioners who negotiate backroom deals instead of doctors who can save lives. Please read chapter 15 first
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Eti chapter 15 Yet more lame excuses and tribal sycophancy. Kenyans will defend a fellow tribesman to the hilt even in the face of incompetence or corruption or even murders. This is why Africa remains the laughing stock of the rest of the world.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Alba wrote:Eti chapter 15 Yet more lame excuses and tribal sycophancy. Kenyans will defend a fellow tribesman to the hilt even in the face of incompetence or corruption or even murders. This is why Africa remains the laughing stock of the rest of the world. wewe @Alba no excuse hapo its written that a president will only come in the equation of removing a commissioner from office once the process has gone through parliament, after initiation by any citizen you included.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Alba wrote:I do not get this excuse about our katiba preventing the president from fighting corruption or waste. What specific article of the katiba prevents him from ordering an inquiry then firing corrupt officials?
Take for example the case of commissioners being paid Ksh 35m which is higher than what president Obama makes. Sarah Serem who is in charge of salaries claims she was not told about it. Which means there must have been a backroom deals. Why does'nt the president address this by ordering an inquiry and using the results of the inquiry to fire people or force them to step down.
Why for example can't the government find out who benefited from Waiguru's ksh 450,000 condom dispenser. whichever contractor benefited can be banned from doing business with gava. Whomever signed this deal should be fired with cause.
The gava is wasting so much money on wages and on corrupt deals. This is money that can be used to add more streetlights or even security cameras to prevent you from being mugged. Or it can be used to put more equipment in Kenyan hospitals or even build wider roads to alleviate traffic. you name it.
Kenyans penchant for tribal sycophancy and excusing corruption and waste is why you are constantly stuck in traffic, are being mugged and cannot get decent treatment medical treatment in Kenya.
All the good doctors have gone to Botswana, New Zealand and elsewhere because gava would rather pay Ksh 35m to commissioners who negotiate backroom deals instead of doctors who can save lives. Don't worry. tribalism and corruption are ending in 2017 elections because Nyanza & Western are leading in new voter registration
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Lolest! wrote:Alba wrote:I do not get this excuse about our katiba preventing the president from fighting corruption or waste. What specific article of the katiba prevents him from ordering an inquiry then firing corrupt officials?
Take for example the case of commissioners being paid Ksh 35m which is higher than what president Obama makes. Sarah Serem who is in charge of salaries claims she was not told about it. Which means there must have been a backroom deals. Why does'nt the president address this by ordering an inquiry and using the results of the inquiry to fire people or force them to step down.
Why for example can't the government find out who benefited from Waiguru's ksh 450,000 condom dispenser. whichever contractor benefited can be banned from doing business with gava. Whomever signed this deal should be fired with cause.
The gava is wasting so much money on wages and on corrupt deals. This is money that can be used to add more streetlights or even security cameras to prevent you from being mugged. Or it can be used to put more equipment in Kenyan hospitals or even build wider roads to alleviate traffic. you name it.
Kenyans penchant for tribal sycophancy and excusing corruption and waste is why you are constantly stuck in traffic, are being mugged and cannot get decent treatment medical treatment in Kenya.
All the good doctors have gone to Botswana, New Zealand and elsewhere because gava would rather pay Ksh 35m to commissioners who negotiate backroom deals instead of doctors who can save lives. Don't worry. tribalism and corruption are ending in 2017 elections because Nyanza & Western are leading in new voter registration that is old strategy, 2013 strategy of winning elections, 2017 will be diferent. I hear the japs are calling it the soft strategy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Alba wrote:I do not get this excuse about our katiba preventing the president from fighting corruption or waste. What specific article of the katiba prevents him from ordering an inquiry then firing corrupt officials?
Take for example the case of commissioners being paid Ksh 35m which is higher than what president Obama makes. Sarah Serem who is in charge of salaries claims she was not told about it. Which means there must have been a backroom deals. Why does'nt the president address this by ordering an inquiry and using the results of the inquiry to fire people or force them to step down.
Why for example can't the government find out who benefited from Waiguru's ksh 450,000 condom dispenser. whichever contractor benefited can be banned from doing business with gava. Whomever signed this deal should be fired with cause.
The gava is wasting so much money on wages and on corrupt deals. This is money that can be used to add more streetlights or even security cameras to prevent you from being mugged. Or it can be used to put more equipment in Kenyan hospitals or even build wider roads to alleviate traffic. you name it.
Kenyans penchant for tribal sycophancy and excusing corruption and waste is why you are constantly stuck in traffic, are being mugged and cannot get decent treatment medical treatment in Kenya.
All the good doctors have gone to Botswana, New Zealand and elsewhere because gava would rather pay Ksh 35m to commissioners who negotiate backroom deals instead of doctors who can save lives. Don't worry. tribalism and corruption are ending in 2017 elections because Nyanza & Western are leading in new voter registration that is old strategy, 2013 strategy of winning elections, 2017 will be diferent. I hear the japs are calling it the soft strategy And there goes !lonest again, thinking along tribal lines as usual Kudos @Alba for a good piece
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