People who do not learn from history are the ones who are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Kenyans fall into this category. Even after seeing how much damage land grabbing did 50 years ago, we are still supporting, glorifying and cheering people who are grabbing land today including primary schools.

There are people on this thread who think Kenyatta was honorable supposedly because he looked out for the interests of his family at the expense of the rest of the country.
I guess 50 years from now, there will be people glorifying the people grabbing land from water towers, foreasts and other important resources today. We Kenyans should not glorify thieves.

I say it is bloody important that we learn from the misdeeds of the past. Those who are trying to disrupt such discussions are just people who cannot deal with the truth. Ukweli lazima usemwe.
If we do not learn from the past we will learn the hard way. Experience only teaches fools. Clever people learn from the mistakes of the past.

Too many Kenyans have no sense of history. Too much of Kenya's history is being whitewashed. No wonder so many Kenyans are so ill informed. Thats why we need forums like these.

The real heroes who tried to unite Kenyans and fight corruption like Pinto, Kaggia, JM, Matiba, Oginga Odinga, Ngala, Muliro, Elijah Masinde and even the saba saba group are destined to the scrap heap of history while people who engaged in rampant tribalism and corruption like Jomo are cheered endlessly.

If you cannot stomach truth based discussions then go to a facebook page where sycophants cheer Jomo endlessly while whitewashing the truth.

Well given the subject matter and the discussion that ensued, I stand by my statement and I state it again, "how the land was acquired is a none issue". Because the subject matter was hijacked by "HISTORIANS"

Yes we can learn from history but history does'nt owe us anything especially when we choose to be selective in what we want to learn from it. A more holistic approach to historic facts is important. A case in point is; Why are we not talking about the over a million acres owned by the Delamere family. What about the other white settlers who still own vast acreages of land? Why is Kenyatta family synonymous with land?

History and historical injustices like War,aparthied, Slavery colonialism ,land acquistion or GRABBING TO SOME(like Jomo and Delamere did) when discussed with a view of resolving them, always come with a reparation price tag. This in effect makes the purportedly aggrieved population think through generations that they have a promisory note. A chequewill be signed soon.They are owed.They never move on.They never think. Reparation becomes part of their DNA

In the 1950s, England had a severe shortage of semi skilled labour. They welcomed immigrants from India , Pakistan Sri Lanka and Jamica and some other Carribean countries. They all worked mainly as bus drivers, cleaners and brick layers.

Today the descendants from the Asian countries are among the well educated and wealthy Britons. The lot from the Carribean and their descendants are poorly educated, run drugs and criminal cartels and have one HISTORIC thing that is passed over through generations. THE WHITE MAN ENSLAVED US, THAT'S WHY WE ARE POOR AND want REPARATIONS. That's how they've learned from HISTORY.( It's so much engrained in them I guess it's now passed on through their DNA)

Similarly,Jews lost everything during the Second world war, today, there is a Jewish state, built from scratch in a desert. They dont go on asking Germany for reparations or blame Germany for every woe they face.

Of Kenyas total land area, Only 20% is arable and inhabited. 80% is not arable and unihabited but has potential if irrigated like the Jewish state did. Perhaps if we start discussing irrigating Kenyas semi arid land shall we realise Kenyatta family does'nt own that much after all.

Its only then that HISTORY will judge us for being visionary and for not having STEADFASTLY looked back at History for ANSWERS, fitina, porojo uvivu ETC as our guide in the name of learning from it.

It has helped the jews that Germans today are still feeling guilty of the holocaust. One cannot get a better package! Always keeping that bit of history perpetually alive has served and will always serve the Jews well.

Germany has yet to rid itself of its guilt over the Nazis, says Schlink

Firstly no one said history owes us anything. It is Kenyans who owe it to themselves to learn from history.

Secondly no one asked for reparations. We are saying Kenyans should simply learn from the past. The land and property that was grabbed will likely not be recovered. But we owe it to ourselves to stop the land grabbing menace now.

Thirdly Delamere is not an issue because no one on this thread is glorifying him and the Europeans are no longer grabing land. What we are trying to say is that Kenyans should stop cheering and glorifying land grabbers.

Also with regard to Europeans, their land grabbing is well documented in Kenyan history books as far back as Standard four. Yet for some reason, the land grabbing of our politicians is not documented. It is whitewashed from history. No wonder Kenyans are so ill-informed. No wonder we still glorify thieves.

If the kenyatta go ahead and build the city as they have propossed, I think that will be great way of giving back to the society since the land they wont let go anyway