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Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,164 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,164 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,164 Location: nairobi
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mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero thanks brother for updating us. Your insider info is crucial for my decision as you know I am seeking entry at the bottom . Keep the fire burning. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come.  . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,164 Location: nairobi
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the proposed strike has been killed off.. mbuvi to continue holding fort
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muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come. . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. Two Unions, same employer, different positions The Kenya Aviation Workers Union (Kawu) mONday came out in support of KQ’s management, claiming the pilots lacked the mandate to force a regime change. The Kawu, a union of about 10,000 -- a quarter of whom are KQ employees excluding pilots, on Monday came out in support of the ongoing restructuring at the airline. Moss Ndiema, the union’s secretary- general, said the airline’s pilots should bear part of the burden of KQ’s declining profitability due to their “high pay despite poor productivity.” “Kalpa and their members cannot escape blame for grossly unattainable collective bargaining agreement demands that have skewed the wage bill in their favour despite low productivity,” Mr Ndiema said in a press conference. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/eu7uyd/-/index.html
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Thiong'o wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come. . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. Two Unions, same employer, different positions The Kenya Aviation Workers Union (Kawu) mONday came out in support of KQ’s management, claiming the pilots lacked the mandate to force a regime change. The Kawu, a union of about 10,000 -- a quarter of whom are KQ employees excluding pilots, on Monday came out in support of the ongoing restructuring at the airline. Moss Ndiema, the union’s secretary- general, said the airline’s pilots should bear part of the burden of KQ’s declining profitability due to their “high pay despite poor productivity.” “Kalpa and their members cannot escape blame for grossly unattainable collective bargaining agreement demands that have skewed the wage bill in their favour despite low productivity,” Mr Ndiema said in a press conference. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/eu7uyd/-/index.html
chisos, 500 pilots with a fleet of less than 46? Quote:KQ has approximately 500 pilots, a majority of whom are Kalpa members. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:Thiong'o wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come. . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. Two Unions, same employer, different positions The Kenya Aviation Workers Union (Kawu) mONday came out in support of KQ’s management, claiming the pilots lacked the mandate to force a regime change. The Kawu, a union of about 10,000 -- a quarter of whom are KQ employees excluding pilots, on Monday came out in support of the ongoing restructuring at the airline. Moss Ndiema, the union’s secretary- general, said the airline’s pilots should bear part of the burden of KQ’s declining profitability due to their “high pay despite poor productivity.” “Kalpa and their members cannot escape blame for grossly unattainable collective bargaining agreement demands that have skewed the wage bill in their favour despite low productivity,” Mr Ndiema said in a press conference. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/eu7uyd/-/index.html
chisos, 500 pilots with a fleet of less than 46? Quote:KQ has approximately 500 pilots, a majority of whom are Kalpa members. pampered oafs.... possunt quia posse videntur
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maka wrote:Swenani wrote:Thiong'o wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come. . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. Two Unions, same employer, different positions The Kenya Aviation Workers Union (Kawu) mONday came out in support of KQ’s management, claiming the pilots lacked the mandate to force a regime change. The Kawu, a union of about 10,000 -- a quarter of whom are KQ employees excluding pilots, on Monday came out in support of the ongoing restructuring at the airline. Moss Ndiema, the union’s secretary- general, said the airline’s pilots should bear part of the burden of KQ’s declining profitability due to their “high pay despite poor productivity.” “Kalpa and their members cannot escape blame for grossly unattainable collective bargaining agreement demands that have skewed the wage bill in their favour despite low productivity,” Mr Ndiema said in a press conference. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/eu7uyd/-/index.html
chisos, 500 pilots with a fleet of less than 46? Quote:KQ has approximately 500 pilots, a majority of whom are Kalpa members. pampered oafs.... That is 10 pilots per plane to use up 460 pilots and leave another 40 to take leave at any given point in time. Assuming the number is inclusive of co-pilots, 92 pilots will be fully engaged at any point in time (46X2). Assuming again that 24 planes are for long haul and therefore needs two shift, we shall engage another 24X2=48. So the total staff utilization comes to 92 + 48 = 140. Even if we add an extra 50% to account for leaves read: maternity, perternity, annual leave, bereavement, sickness etc maximum number should be around 210. This leaves a whopping 290 pilots to wander around and push union agendas. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Gatheuzi wrote:maka wrote:Swenani wrote:Thiong'o wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:mugo2of3 wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Possible pilots strike starting next week....these guys suck. management would be wise to let the strike proceed and use it to offload the weakest links.. a good number of the staff at KQ need to be taught a tough lesson on collective responsibility of the airlines performance/existence Especially those whose their fathers are who is who in gaaament and Board of management fear firing them. Ronald Karauri taking KQ hostage... KALPA is a dark force, a rebel without cause.. Jitters of the seabury, mckinsey changes are the cause of the sudden panic.. Lets see what happens on 29.01.16.. I repeat, this is not the perfect time to buy.. I await 02.04.16 I beg to disagree with the opinions herein, typical case of us ignoring the root-cause and concentrating on the symptoms; In today's BDaily, Kabaara has summarized the KQ malaise as Quote: a “negative balanced scorecard” – customer apathy, process failure and HR management malfunction, balanced by management hubris and negative financials. Customer apathy leads to all the other factors. And consistently disgruntled clients are never caused outright by management, but by front line staff.. You may have a point, but I dont see it yet @obiero, point balnk=customers are not only dissatisfied, disgruntled and jilted but also roughed up, shafted and shafted. What a heck! You Do not bite the teet that feedeth thee. This KQ baby has a long way to baby sit before I start singing, come babe come. . However thanks for putting things into perspective for whomever has eyes and hears. Two Unions, same employer, different positions The Kenya Aviation Workers Union (Kawu) mONday came out in support of KQ’s management, claiming the pilots lacked the mandate to force a regime change. The Kawu, a union of about 10,000 -- a quarter of whom are KQ employees excluding pilots, on Monday came out in support of the ongoing restructuring at the airline. Moss Ndiema, the union’s secretary- general, said the airline’s pilots should bear part of the burden of KQ’s declining profitability due to their “high pay despite poor productivity.” “Kalpa and their members cannot escape blame for grossly unattainable collective bargaining agreement demands that have skewed the wage bill in their favour despite low productivity,” Mr Ndiema said in a press conference. http://www.businessdaily...6/-/eu7uyd/-/index.html
chisos, 500 pilots with a fleet of less than 46? Quote:KQ has approximately 500 pilots, a majority of whom are Kalpa members. pampered oafs.... That is 10 pilots per plane to use up 460 pilots and leave another 40 to take leave at any given point in time. Assuming the number is inclusive of co-pilots, 92 pilots will be fully engaged at any point in time (46X2). Assuming again that 24 planes are for long haul and therefore needs two shift, we shall engage another 24X2=48. So the total staff utilization comes to 92 + 48 = 140. Even if we add an extra 50% to account for leaves read: maternity, perternity, annual leave, bereavement, sickness etc maximum number should be around 210. This leaves a whopping 290 pilots to wander around and push union agendas. Wow 500 hundred pilots, that's like employing 10 drivers for a truck, and why is jambojet recruiting more pilots saw an advert, they share pilots with KQ, unnecessary employees should be reduced and optimize the current, we understand that maybe reserve pilots are important but not that many. To Each His Own
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,327 Location: Nairobi
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Dear KQ Shareholders, Based on @Gateuzi's explanation... Pole sana. VVS *Please fuel up at KK. KQ to pay cash coz the credit machine is broken. Thank you. Come Again.* Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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I thought one pilot is supposed to fly only once after every 5 days.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,164 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:the proposed strike has been killed off.. mbuvi to continue holding fort www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/8183elz/-/index.html
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kollabo wrote:I thought one pilot is supposed to fly only once after every 5 days. And me thinks every pilot is supposed to fry KQ four days and fly on the fifth day ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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