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Alba wrote:This is too funny. People like Murchr and Sitaki will have you believe that Kenyatta cannot fight corruption. Eti he is hamstrung because the new constitution prevents big man mentality.
Yet when a person criticizes Kenyatta or accuses one of his cohorts of land grabbing, he is arrested, forced to record a statement or otherwise intimidated.
- Alai has been arrested, I dont know how many times
- I understand the cartoonist Gado was fired from Daily nation at Kenyatta's behest.
- The same may apply to Makau Mutua
- Boniface Mwangi hasb been so initimidated that you can hardly call him a firebrand
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If Kenyatta showed the same zeal in fighting corruption, we might actually make some progress against graft. As I say we love gossip and rumors, I mean alai, makau and boniface, surely. Next you will be telling us its the president who got that Galava guy fired. As any @guka generation guys, at least those who knew how to tweet with the telegraph back then know, a president who legally can order arbitrary arrests and make road side and market place declaration is a danger, and a big one at that. But you seem to be in love with the idea of a rambo president, one who can dismiss his deputy at will, and order any guy he thinks is corrupt to be arrested. I mean why all the effort in establishing institutions devoid of the president's influence, we could as well turn into a 'kisii' witch hunt country, where any old lady who happens to love snakes should be burnt to death with green twigs.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Alba wrote:Tokyo wrote:Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society All these constant excuses should stop. Kenyatta is 100% to blame for creating the culture of land grabbing, tribalism and corruption. It was a young nation looking for direction and Kenyatta created and nurtured the culture of land grabbing and corruption. People follow the president's example. In Tanzania, President Nyerere did the exact opposite. Thats why for many years, corruption and tribalism were non-existent in Tanzania. Now one of his disciples (Magufuli) has taken over and he is going to put Tanzania back on the right path. wewe unajua Tanzania kweli, those guys are more corrupt than Kenya. The idea that a single individual will, can or should have saved the country is preposterous. Its institutions and common sense from the citizenry that will save us, does not matter how many people Magufuli fires or how many holidays he cancels, if the institutions are weak and the mindset does not change, they will still be in shit, just like Kenya. @Hutaki-kujulikana. With time, the mindset changes. It did in South Korea, it did in Singapore, it is changing in Rwanda. What has Kenya done with all the institutions as compared to Rwanda/Singapore/South Korea?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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mkeiy wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Alba wrote:Tokyo wrote:Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society All these constant excuses should stop. Kenyatta is 100% to blame for creating the culture of land grabbing, tribalism and corruption. It was a young nation looking for direction and Kenyatta created and nurtured the culture of land grabbing and corruption. People follow the president's example. In Tanzania, President Nyerere did the exact opposite. Thats why for many years, corruption and tribalism were non-existent in Tanzania. Now one of his disciples (Magufuli) has taken over and he is going to put Tanzania back on the right path. wewe unajua Tanzania kweli, those guys are more corrupt than Kenya. The idea that a single individual will, can or should have saved the country is preposterous. Its institutions and common sense from the citizenry that will save us, does not matter how many people Magufuli fires or how many holidays he cancels, if the institutions are weak and the mindset does not change, they will still be in shit, just like Kenya. @Hutaki-kujulikana. With time, the mindset changes. It did in South Korea, it did in Singapore, it is changing in Rwanda. What has Kenya done with all the institutions as compared to Rwanda/Singapore/South Korea? The constitution is still in its infancy, the institutions are still trying to find ground. That's why my point is we should not expect the president to dictate, but let the institutions grow, with time they will mature, your kid will never walk if you continually do the walking for them. Rwanda is a strong man country, south korea was built by the americans, singapore is a more or less a port city. As for kenya we choose to go the many rats instead of a lion way, we choose to have institutions and a democracy and for that to bring forth its fruits we need to let the institutions and democracy to grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
wewe unajua Tanzania kweli, those guys are more corrupt than Kenya. The idea that a single individual will, can or should have saved the country is preposterous.
Its institutions and common sense from the citizenry that will save us, does not matter how many people Magufuli fires or how many holidays he cancels, if the institutions are weak and the mindset does not change, they will still be in shit, just like Kenya.
IF you look at the Transparency international list of transparent countries, you will see that Kenya is ranked #145 while Tanzania is ranked #119. So your theory that Tanzania is more corrupt than Kenya is dead in the water. Secondly, an individual can save a country from corruption especially if that individual is the founding further of the nation. Kenyatta had a golden opportunity to create a culture of transparency. Instead he created the culture of corruption. Corruption is a cultural trait. Its a way of life. If you live in a country where the president encourages people to steal then everyone in the country will be looking for an opportunity to steal. They do not call him the father of the nation for nothing. He set the tone for the country in terms of corruption and tribalism.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
As I say we love gossip and rumors, I mean alai, makau and boniface, surely.
Next you will be telling us its the president who got that Galava guy fired.
As any @guka generation guys, at least those who knew how to tweet with the telegraph back then know, a president who legally can order arbitrary arrests and make road side and market place declaration is a danger, and a big one at that.
But you seem to be in love with the idea of a rambo president, one who can dismiss his deputy at will, and order any guy he thinks is corrupt to be arrested.
I mean why all the effort in establishing institutions devoid of the president's influence, we could as well turn into a 'kisii' witch hunt country, where any old lady who happens to love snakes should be burnt to death with green twigs.
The president cannot dismiss his deputy at will. But if he has , he can speak out against corruption. When land belonging to a primary school is stolen, his first word should be against the land grabbers. Stealing land from a primary school is wrong regardless of whether the theft is legal. We are looking for moral leadership. The other thing Uhuru can do is to work diligently to ensure that schools that do not have title deeds can get title deeds ASAP. But instead of taking such actions, Uhuru instead condemned the headmaster for allowing his students to demonstrate. This is morally wrong. We need moral leadership. A leader who can speak clearly. Now we hear that other primary schools are having their land grabbed because they do not possesses title deeds. Now look at the case of Waiguru. If Uhuru wanted to take a stance against corruption, he could have ordered immediate investigations. Instead he coddled Waiguru until defending her became untenable. What message does that send to other thieves? With regard to Eurobond, Uhuru can bring this saga to an end by directing his CS to provide a detailed account of how the money is being spent. Heck he can even invite Transparency international to do a thorough audit. This will send a good message to investors. Instead he is threatening the opposition. All these excuses being made for Uhuru are bogus. Why is CID going after harmless bloggers yet no one does any investigation when public funds are stolen?
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I guess the topic is" Kenyatta family to build a city in Ruiru" But the discussion that follows has nothing to do with the topic in question. Why the hell are we not discussing the subject matter. Why cant we discuss the merits and demerits of such a development. The investment opportunities such a development will bring. The jobs it will create.The implications on its sorroundings; Instead of Petty ujinga porojo fitina ukabila and upumbafu.
Discussing how the land was acquired is a none issue. Why wait for 50 plus years to start questioning its ownership. Even if you get the facts 100% right, of how the the land was acquired, How the hell will it benefit you? Satisfy your stupid ego, right?
This forum has degenerated from a place where educative, intuitive and innovative minds meet to a soko mjinga where they trade in second hand condoms.
Delamere owns land stretching from Kiambu to Nyandarua to Nakuru and beyond. His descendants have maimed and killed several Kenyans for generations. They recently built Buffallo Mall in Naivasha. Did any one of you question how he came to own and still owns such a vast stretch of land!!! NO!! NO!! NO. You didn't and you wouldn't. Why? Because he doesn't have his henchmen and tribesmen on Wazua to trade barbs with.
Instead, You all cheered and rushed there to spend your hard earned cash and take silly family selfies.
Does this tell you anything about the African mentality and why it will always lead the rest of the world from behind?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Rongla wrote: I guess the topic is" Kenyatta family to build a city in Ruiru" But the discussion that follows has nothing to do with the topic in question. Why the hell are we not discussing the subject matter. Why cant we discuss the merits and demerits of such a development. The investment opportunities such a development will bring. The jobs it will create.The implications on its sorroundings; Instead of Petty ujinga porojo fitina ukabila and upumbafu.
Discussing how the land was acquired is a none issue. Why wait for 50 plus years to start questioning its ownership. Even if you get the facts 100% right, of how the the land was acquired, How the hell will it benefit you? Satisfy your stupid ego, right?
This forum has degenerated from a place where educative, intuitive and innovative minds meet to a soko mjinga where they trade in second hand condoms.
Delamere owns land stretching from Kiambu to Nyandarua to Nakuru and beyond. His descendants have maimed and killed several Kenyans for generations. They recently built Buffallo Mall in Naivasha. Did any one of you question how he came to own and still owns such a vast stretch of land!!! NO!! NO!! NO. You didn't and you wouldn't. Why? Because he doesn't have his henchmen and tribesmen on Wazua to trade barbs with.
Instead, You all cheered and rushed there to spend your hard earned cash and take silly family selfies.
Does this tell you anything about the African mentality and why it will always lead the rest of the world from behind?
why don't you find a forum where they trade in unused condoms? Usituletee If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/27/2011 Posts: 123 Location: Nairobi
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Rongla wrote: I guess the topic is" Kenyatta family to build a city in Ruiru" But the discussion that follows has nothing to do with the topic in question. Why the hell are we not discussing the subject matter. Why cant we discuss the merits and demerits of such a development. The investment opportunities such a development will bring. The jobs it will create.The implications on its sorroundings; Instead of Petty ujinga porojo fitina ukabila and upumbafu.
Discussing how the land was acquired is a none issue. Why wait for 50 plus years to start questioning its ownership. Even if you get the facts 100% right, of how the the land was acquired, How the hell will it benefit you? Satisfy your stupid ego, right?
This forum has degenerated from a place where educative, intuitive and innovative minds meet to a soko mjinga where they trade in second hand condoms.
Delamere owns land stretching from Kiambu to Nyandarua to Nakuru and beyond. His descendants have maimed and killed several Kenyans for generations. They recently built Buffallo Mall in Naivasha. Did any one of you question how he came to own and still owns such a vast stretch of land!!! NO!! NO!! NO. You didn't and you wouldn't. Why? Because he doesn't have his henchmen and tribesmen on Wazua to trade barbs with.
Instead, You all cheered and rushed there to spend your hard earned cash and take silly family selfies.
Does this tell you anything about the African mentality and why it will always lead the rest of the world from behind?
Spot on.
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:mkeiy wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Alba wrote:Tokyo wrote:Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society All these constant excuses should stop. Kenyatta is 100% to blame for creating the culture of land grabbing, tribalism and corruption. It was a young nation looking for direction and Kenyatta created and nurtured the culture of land grabbing and corruption. People follow the president's example. In Tanzania, President Nyerere did the exact opposite. Thats why for many years, corruption and tribalism were non-existent in Tanzania. Now one of his disciples (Magufuli) has taken over and he is going to put Tanzania back on the right path. wewe unajua Tanzania kweli, those guys are more corrupt than Kenya. The idea that a single individual will, can or should have saved the country is preposterous. Its institutions and common sense from the citizenry that will save us, does not matter how many people Magufuli fires or how many holidays he cancels, if the institutions are weak and the mindset does not change, they will still be in shit, just like Kenya. @Hutaki-kujulikana. With time, the mindset changes. It did in South Korea, it did in Singapore, it is changing in Rwanda. What has Kenya done with all the institutions as compared to Rwanda/Singapore/South Korea? The constitution is still in its infancy, the institutions are still trying to find ground. That's why my point is we should not expect the president to dictate, but let the institutions grow, with time they will mature, your kid will never walk if you continually do the walking for them. Rwanda is a strong man country, south korea was built by the americans, singapore is a more or less a port city. As for kenya we choose to go the many rats instead of a lion way, we choose to have institutions and a democracy and for that to bring forth its fruits we need to let the institutions and democracy to grow. I agree. We must have strong INSTITUTIONS. The 2010 katiba wth all its imperfections is setting us ahead of most other African states We must guard against all attempts to an all strong presidency again(like UK wanting to appoint CJ
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KiFagio wrote:Rongla wrote: I guess the topic is" Kenyatta family to build a city in Ruiru" But the discussion that follows has nothing to do with the topic in question. Why the hell are we not discussing the subject matter. Why cant we discuss the merits and demerits of such a development. The investment opportunities such a development will bring. The jobs it will create.The implications on its sorroundings; Instead of Petty ujinga porojo fitina ukabila and upumbafu.
Discussing how the land was acquired is a none issue. Why wait for 50 plus years to start questioning its ownership. Even if you get the facts 100% right, of how the the land was acquired, How the hell will it benefit you? Satisfy your stupid ego, right?
This forum has degenerated from a place where educative, intuitive and innovative minds meet to a soko mjinga where they trade in second hand condoms.
Delamere owns land stretching from Kiambu to Nyandarua to Nakuru and beyond. His descendants have maimed and killed several Kenyans for generations. They recently built Buffallo Mall in Naivasha. Did any one of you question how he came to own and still owns such a vast stretch of land!!! NO!! NO!! NO. You didn't and you wouldn't. Why? Because he doesn't have his henchmen and tribesmen on Wazua to trade barbs with.
Instead, You all cheered and rushed there to spend your hard earned cash and take silly family selfies.
Does this tell you anything about the African mentality and why it will always lead the rest of the world from behind?
Spot on. As I posted earlier, the question of how Kenyatta Family acquired its huge property remains valid. People can choose to dwell on righting what they consider a wrong justifiably or focus on moving forward and seizing whichever opportunities result from developments. What you can't do @Rongla is to label them as this or that. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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