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Kenyatta family to build a City in Ruiri
hardwood
#101 Posted : Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:30:59 PM
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sparkly
#102 Posted : Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:41:17 PM
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innairobi wrote:
Hundreds of thousands of acres would have cost hundreds of millions of shillings in those days. Hundreds of millions in the 60s and 70s is hundreds of billions today. Jomo had nowhere near that kind of money then or income that could service that kind of debt. Whichever way you cut it, how Jomo acquired the vast tracts of land is obviously questionable.


You are thinking as a peasant and pre-suppossing that he bought the land. He didn't. He just took over from where the queen of England left and allocated himself thousands and thousands of acres. You may want to read "Tenants of the Crown" by HWO Okoth Ogendo.
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Tokyo
#103 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 4:21:44 AM
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Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society
work to prosper
newfarer
#104 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 6:48:31 AM
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hardwood wrote:



If we are not falling into dictatorship, then we need to know what dictatorship is


A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife open a package.

What food might this contain?" The mouse wondered - he was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.

Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"

The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said, "Mr. Mouse, I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."

The mouse turned to the goat and told him, "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"

The goat sympathized, but said, "I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers."
The mouse turned to the cow and said "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"

The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you, but it's no skin off my nose."

So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer's mousetrap alone.

That very night a sound was heard throughout the house - like the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.

The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught.

The snake bit the farmer's wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital , and she returned home with a fever.

Everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his matchet to the farmyard for the soup's main Ingredient.

But his wife's sickness continued, so friends and neighbours came to sit with her around the clock.

To feed them, the farmer butchered the goat.

The farmer's wife did not get well; she died.

So many people came for her funeral, the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.

The mouse looked upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear someone is facing a problem and think it doesn't concern you, remember when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.

We are all involved in this amazing journey called life. We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another.
Each of us may not be connected through a blood line, we may not even be friends. But we are all connected through brotherhood.
punda amecheka
murchr
#105 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 7:39:48 AM
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^^^^^Kwani what's the big deal with going to CID? He should just go & say what he knows.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mkeiy
#106 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 8:41:06 AM
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newfarer wrote:
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We are all involved in this amazing journey called life. We must keep an eye out for one another and make an extra effort to encourage one another.
Each of us may not be connected through a blood line, we may not even be friends. But we are all connected through brotherhood.


Applause Applause Applause

The likes of @murchr, @harrydre etc, as much as they could not be chicken, but being cows, they should know, is not big nor safe enough.

The trap keeps on snapping, as we, the mice, nurse our aching hearts! Worried, wondering of the farmer ,his trap and why the chicken is crossing the road!
Alba
#107 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 5:22:38 PM
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This is too funny. People like Murchr and Sitaki will have you believe that Kenyatta cannot fight corruption. Eti he is hamstrung because the new constitution prevents big man mentality.

Yet when a person criticizes Kenyatta or accuses one of his cohorts of land grabbing, he is arrested, forced to record a statement or otherwise intimidated.

- Alai has been arrested, I dont know how many times
- I understand the cartoonist Gado was fired from Daily nation at Kenyatta's behest.
- The same may apply to Makau Mutua
- Boniface Mwangi hasb been so initimidated that you can hardly call him a firebrand

And so forth
If Kenyatta showed the same zeal in fighting corruption, we might actually make some progress against graft.
Alba
#108 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 5:26:48 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society



All these constant excuses should stop. Kenyatta is 100% to blame for creating the culture of land grabbing, tribalism and corruption. It was a young nation looking for direction and Kenyatta created and nurtured the culture of land grabbing and corruption. People follow the president's example.

In Tanzania, President Nyerere did the exact opposite. Thats why for many years, corruption and tribalism were non-existent in Tanzania. Now one of his disciples (Magufuli) has taken over and he is going to put Tanzania back on the right path.
innairobi
#109 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 6:06:11 PM
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sparkly wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Hundreds of thousands of acres would have cost hundreds of millions of shillings in those days. Hundreds of millions in the 60s and 70s is hundreds of billions today. Jomo had nowhere near that kind of money then or income that could service that kind of debt. Whichever way you cut it, how Jomo acquired the vast tracts of land is obviously questionable.


You are thinking as a peasant and pre-suppossing that he bought the land. He didn't. He just took over from where the queen of England left and allocated himself thousands and thousands of acres. You may want to read "Tenants of the Crown" by HWO Okoth Ogendo.


We are both saying the same thing. Was illustrating how impossible it was for him to buy that size of land.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
sitaki.kujulikana
#110 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2016 10:30:29 PM
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Alba wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Controversies on land issues aren't going anywhere soon. I can't blame Jomo instead I blame the era he was living. None of those who had influential positions then can claim to be clean. era of our grandchildren will be characterized by the same bitterness and politics.some will be yapping in wazua of that time about the fairness and inequality in society



All these constant excuses should stop. Kenyatta is 100% to blame for creating the culture of land grabbing, tribalism and corruption. It was a young nation looking for direction and Kenyatta created and nurtured the culture of land grabbing and corruption. People follow the president's example.

In Tanzania, President Nyerere did the exact opposite. Thats why for many years, corruption and tribalism were non-existent in Tanzania. Now one of his disciples (Magufuli) has taken over and he is going to put Tanzania back on the right path.

wewe unajua Tanzania kweli, those guys are more corrupt than Kenya. The idea that a single individual will, can or should have saved the country is preposterous.
Its institutions and common sense from the citizenry that will save us, does not matter how many people Magufuli fires or how many holidays he cancels, if the institutions are weak and the mindset does not change, they will still be in shit, just like Kenya.
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