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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Jomo Kenyatta used his position to grab land or allocate land to himself irregularly whichever way you want to describe it. He grabbed land from peasants, from the colonialists who were leaving, he excised foreast land, beach plots etc
Some of this land had originally been grabbed by Europeans from the peasants. When the Europeans left , it should have been returned to the peasants. Jomo and other big wigs took it instead.
Too bad most people's grandfather did not have the wherewithal to ammass such large portions of prime land.
I blame Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi city. he set the precedent for land grabbing and irregular allocation that has bedeviled towns all over Kenya. Today land that was supposed to be set aside for road reserves is grabbed by some big wig. So there is no space left to expand roads or other infrastructure.
- So when you are stuck in endless traffic, - When you see a primary school land being grabbed - When a playing field for neighbour hood kids is grabbed - When the city authorities have no space to build much needed amenities like fire stations or even hospitals. - When you face constant water shortage or power outtages due to poor city planning - .........
You can thank the founding father of the nation for creating this land grabbing culture whose ramifications are seen all over today.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,822 Location: Nakuru
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Is it Kiambu countys fault that Carey Francis decided to build both Alliances in Kikuyu?? Is it their fault that the catholic church decided to build both Limuru and loreto limuru girls in Limuru? Is it the indigenes fault that the Mubeberu chose the highlands as the most viable land to grab and consequently build roads and other infrastructure - what is now perceived as an "upper hand" as far as development is concerned? Old Bildad made his choice. His choice is nobody's fault Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,822 Location: Nakuru
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Alba wrote:Jomo Kenyatta used his position to grab land or allocate land to himself irregularly whichever way you want to describe it. He grabbed land from peasants, from the colonialists who were leaving, he excised foreast land, beach plots etc
Some of this land had originally been grabbed by Europeans from the peasants. When the Europeans left , it should have been returned to the peasants. Jomo and other big wigs took it instead.
Too bad most people's grandfather did not have the wherewithal to ammass such large portions of prime land.
I blame Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi city. he set the precedent for land grabbing and irregular allocation that has bedeviled towns all over Kenya. Today land that was supposed to be set aside for road reserves is grabbed by some big wig. So there is no space left to expand roads or other infrastructure.
- So when you are stuck in endless traffic, - When you see a primary school land being grabbed - When a playing field for neighbour hood kids is grabbed - When the city authorities have no space to build much needed amenities like fire stations or even hospitals. - When you face constant water shortage or power outtages due to poor city planning - .........
You can thank the founding father of the nation for creating this land grabbing culture whose ramifications are seen all over today.
Where this land (Ruiru) sits there were no peasants then (1850 - 1960) Most peasants were in current Dagoretti, Kiambu town, Murang'a, Kirinyaga and Nyeri.Before the Mubeberu, land in central was communal. People started having their own pieces of land in 1957 Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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Its all about vision. Even if all our grads were given the amount of land without a vision they will still be landless today having sold it for a song
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,822 Location: Nakuru
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Page 17 and 18 of this report shows the genesis of land problems and the greed for land in this country. Reading this part provides insight why our land policy is so effed-ep.Dr. Bitange once wrote about this in one of his columns in the newspaper, but i guess most wazuans used it to wrap a key-quarter of nyama with it. Old Jomo is not to blame, neither is baba Moi....we cannot as a nation continue to bury our heads in the sand about our poor land policy. One example is the expansion of Nairobi. It is wrong for Nairobi to expand southwards (Kitengela, Rongai, Isinya). Those are natural habitats for wild animals especially the endangered ones...etc. It is also not meant to expand Northwards. Those are the river catchment areas etc Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Enyewe being poor is a bad thing.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Fyatu wrote:Alba wrote:Jomo Kenyatta used his position to grab land or allocate land to himself irregularly whichever way you want to describe it. He grabbed land from peasants, from the colonialists who were leaving, he excised foreast land, beach plots etc
Some of this land had originally been grabbed by Europeans from the peasants. When the Europeans left , it should have been returned to the peasants. Jomo and other big wigs took it instead.
Too bad most people's grandfather did not have the wherewithal to ammass such large portions of prime land.
I blame Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi city. he set the precedent for land grabbing and irregular allocation that has bedeviled towns all over Kenya. Today land that was supposed to be set aside for road reserves is grabbed by some big wig. So there is no space left to expand roads or other infrastructure.
- So when you are stuck in endless traffic, - When you see a primary school land being grabbed - When a playing field for neighbour hood kids is grabbed - When the city authorities have no space to build much needed amenities like fire stations or even hospitals. - When you face constant water shortage or power outtages due to poor city planning - .........
You can thank the founding father of the nation for creating this land grabbing culture whose ramifications are seen all over today.
Where this land (Ruiru) sits there were no peasants then (1850 - 1960) Most peasants were in current Dagoretti, Kiambu town, Murang'a, Kirinyaga and Nyeri.Before the Mubeberu, land in central was communal. People started having their own pieces of land in 1957 Great. Can someone come forward with a title/lease and claim Jomo grabbed his land? I guess not. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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murchr wrote:Fyatu wrote:Kusadikika wrote:While some people are struggling to buy 50 by 100 plots there are people with 11,000 acres around Nairobi!!! Ni sawa tu. Wacha wajenge, at least they are investing in Kenya. It is better than buying castles in Europe. While some people fathers and grandfathers were still hunters and gatherers, running naked chasing after Guinea fowls and bush rats, some people grandfathers and fathers were in Europe studying, writing books and organizing political movements....I dont blame them for being rich. I blame my grandfather  I once passed by South C with my grandfather and he told me that in his heydays the land there was being sold cheap and he was offered since he worked for sirikal, but opted not to get it since animals would cross over from the park, he did not see value...ona sasa huyo ungechapa kofi! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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harrydre wrote:murchr wrote:Fyatu wrote:Kusadikika wrote:While some people are struggling to buy 50 by 100 plots there are people with 11,000 acres around Nairobi!!! Ni sawa tu. Wacha wajenge, at least they are investing in Kenya. It is better than buying castles in Europe. While some people fathers and grandfathers were still hunters and gatherers, running naked chasing after Guinea fowls and bush rats, some people grandfathers and fathers were in Europe studying, writing books and organizing political movements....I dont blame them for being rich. I blame my grandfather  I once passed by South C with my grandfather and he told me that in his heydays the land there was being sold cheap and he was offered since he worked for sirikal, but opted not to get it since animals would cross over from the park, he did not see value...ona sasa huyo ungechapa kofi!  Reminds me of a story I heard of Mountaineers who in the 60s changad money to buy large pieces of land from wazungus at the coast. So the land is divided into small plots and members can choose which ones they want. Some people took their wives from Muranga and went to inspect the land. The ladies looked at the plots closest to the ocean (beach plots) and declared, "Guku no muthanga mutheri, hatiri kindu ki ngikura haha, kaba nakuria iguru kundu tungikuria irio." (This place is all sand, nothing can grow here, it is better those other plots [furthest from the ocean] because we can grow food there. So they left the beach plots alone and chose plots 4 or 5 rows from the beach. Only smart guys like Matiba could see the value of land close to the ocean so they bought those ones.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,822 Location: Nakuru
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Kusadikika wrote:harrydre wrote:murchr wrote:Fyatu wrote:Kusadikika wrote:While some people are struggling to buy 50 by 100 plots there are people with 11,000 acres around Nairobi!!! Ni sawa tu. Wacha wajenge, at least they are investing in Kenya. It is better than buying castles in Europe. While some people fathers and grandfathers were still hunters and gatherers, running naked chasing after Guinea fowls and bush rats, some people grandfathers and fathers were in Europe studying, writing books and organizing political movements....I dont blame them for being rich. I blame my grandfather  I once passed by South C with my grandfather and he told me that in his heydays the land there was being sold cheap and he was offered since he worked for sirikal, but opted not to get it since animals would cross over from the park, he did not see value...ona sasa huyo ungechapa kofi!  Reminds me of a story I heard of Mountaineers who in the 60s changad money to buy large pieces of land from wazungus at the coast. So the land is divided into small plots and members can choose which ones they want. Some people took their wives from Muranga and went to inspect the land. The ladies looked at the plots closest to the ocean (beach plots) and declared, "Guku no muthanga mutheri, hatiri kindu ki ngikura haha, kaba nakuria iguru kundu tungikuria irio." (This place is all sand, nothing can grow here, it is better those other plots [furthest from the ocean] because we can grow food there. So they left the beach plots alone and chose plots 4 or 5 rows from the beach. Only smart guys like Matiba could see the value of land close to the ocean so they bought those ones. The power of education and co-operative/tion. The key phrase here is that "they changad money to buy large pieces of land from wazungus"....People were not given land for free. If my grandfather had not insisted with his hunter gatherer tendencies then perhaps Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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