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masukuma
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:55:39 PM
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until the day you decide that "There is no God" or "God is unwelcome" or "God is banned" in Kenya - leave his agents alone!
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dunkang
#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:02:59 PM
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Its very funny that the GoK wants to stop Corruption in Church yet corruption in its own institutions is at the highest level ever.
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murchr
#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:07:19 PM
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masukuma wrote:
it's not extortion! it's not fraud! wewe umeongea na mungu ukahakikisha ya kuwa hiyo 'seed' is useless? it's not in exchange for Kanyari to heal them... or Kanyari to make you healthy or wealthy and wise! it's for Kanyari to intercede with a God who has chosen to be invisible (regardless of the fact that the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike) and only talks to him. This God in 'his time' will come through for you... or not if you sin (hidden sin)! or you stop future givings of money... but remember he loves you! if Kanyari and Co. Say they will heal, make you rich e.t.c. and don't - that is fraud but if God says he will... and does not... it's fraud on God's part not Kanyari's. Hapo ndio watu wengi wanapotea! Ama God atokezee aseme... The following people who appear in this poster ceased to be his/her agents.... until then... Kanyari will be the only channel to this God and you cannot prove otherwise!


So by extension even Potassium permanganate was no fraud healing of HIV patients by changing lab results is no fraud. Which bible verse does Kanyari use to prove that God needs to be paid so that he can heal, or bless you?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:15:26 PM
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murchr wrote:

So by extension even Potassium permanganate was no fraud healing of HIV patients by changing lab results is no fraud. Which bible verse does Kanyari use to prove that God needs to be paid so that he can heal, or bless you?

Boss! Who said he has to quote the bible? Why are you asking him to limit his statements to what is in that book? God could have talked to him last night about you!! is God in the court? can you have him sit there and declare that Kanyari no longer represents him? Changing lab results is a crime... coz that is a measurable thing and the mum was thrown into the slummer for that.

as someone once asked 'How does one differentiate between fake and real preachers?' it depends on who you ask! @HamBurgler believes ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE and God does not exist someone believes the guy who makes you feel shivers is the 'real' thing and those priests that talk in a dead language are fake. if you cannot measure it - you cannot legislate for it... so leave religion alone.
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murchr
#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:44:47 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:

So by extension even Potassium permanganate was no fraud healing of HIV patients by changing lab results is no fraud. Which bible verse does Kanyari use to prove that God needs to be paid so that he can heal, or bless you?

Boss! Who said he has to quote the bible? Why are you asking him to limit his statements to what is in that book? God could have talked to him last night about you!! is God in the court? can you have him seat there and declare that Kanyari no longer represents him? Changing lab results is a crime... coz that is a measurable thing and the mum was thrown into the slummer for that.

as someone once asked 'How does one differentiate between fake and real preachers?' it depends on who you ask! @HamBurgler believes ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE and God does not exist someone believes the guy who makes you feel shivers is the 'real' thing and those priests that talk in a dead language are fake. if you cannot measure it - you cannot legislate for it... so leave religion alone.


He is guided by the book, just like doctors are guided by science and lawyers by the written law. Doctors and lawyers face consequences (accountability) when they go contrary to their guidelines, what about mr. preacher man? So God would ask Kanyari to approach me and use potassium to what? demonstrate that he is healing?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest!
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:45:16 PM
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I agree with Rayila, the evangelicals and masukuma

Matters of faith in a secular democracy like ours are hard to legislate. For one, religion always makes fundamentalists out of its adherents. The 50-50 people are the ones who become universalists but even then become dogmatic and fundamentalist in their universalism

So you find me in my fundamentalist Christianity believing Muhammad was a pervert and fake prophet. That Islam is fake. Doti has similar beliefs about Christianity

Some protestants believe Roman Catholics are not Christian. Catholics will have similar feelings esp on Evangelicals...

This is complex....crimes committed by Nyaree n his mum Nduta are covered in the penal code, right? I rem Nduta was jailed!

Ati Githu, whose motherhas bn a Sunday School teacher can formulate a law banning encouraging people to be saved? Isnt this core to Evangelical Christianity?
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:03:08 PM
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murchr wrote:

He is guided by the book, just like doctors are guided by science and lawyers by the written law. Doctors and lawyers face consequences (accountability) when they go contrary to their guidelines, what about mr. preacher man? So God would ask Kanyari to approach me and use potassium to what? demonstrate that he is healing?

Are christians christians because the read the bible? what if Kanyari says that in the same way Paul was 'revealed' to... he recieved a revelation last night? Who says Christians have to follow the bible? if they do.. .which bible? Can I come up with my bible and people who follow me are called 'masumians'? Mr. Preacherman is not answerable to you! unlike the doctors that was created by a bunch of people who wrote guidelines. Mr. Preacher man is accountable to God not to man.. anafanya kazi ya nani?
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murchr
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:14:10 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:

He is guided by the book, just like doctors are guided by science and lawyers by the written law. Doctors and lawyers face consequences (accountability) when they go contrary to their guidelines, what about mr. preacher man? So God would ask Kanyari to approach me and use potassium to what? demonstrate that he is healing?

Are christians christians because the read the bible? what if Kanyari says that in the same way Paul was 'revealed' to... he recieved a revelation last night? Who says Christians have to follow the bible? if they do.. .which bible? Can I come up with my bible and people who follow me are called 'masumians'? Mr. Preacherman is not answerable to you! unlike the doctors that was created by a bunch of people who wrote guidelines. Mr. Preacher man is accountable to God not to man.. anafanya kazi ya nani?


Actually they are guided by the holy spirit. So lets put the bible aside (which is used more often than once) should the spirit lead Kanyari to kill shouldn't the state act? Or do we say fraud and extortion is a lesser crime or does God allow that part of the law to be broken?

Romans 13:1-5 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sitaki.kujulikana
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:18:30 PM
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masukuma wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.

he committed murder (regardless of motivation).... the separation of state and religion is two sided! The guy murders a whole family could have other motivations such as a movie - would you ban a movie? The line that is drawn is that gava should not tell you what to believe.... it's none of it's business. The state exists for the people and not the people for the state. same with Marriage - it's not government's business to affix itself in personal matters! The state cannot have oversight on what I believe in! Individual rights of belief are inalienable... ati pastors need to have some theological training? what if my religion believes that the 'upako' is hereditary?

what if the guy believed his religion directed him to murder his family.
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Mukiri
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:50:30 PM
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Me wonders why Gova is doing this when there are already laws in place to govern this. Law of confract.Which is binding implied, express and/or written.

I remember our law professor telling us about this case where a guy at the bus-stop was sued by the bus company (or was it the other way around?) There was an invitation (either guy being at the bus-stop or him stretching his hand), offer (by bus driver stopping the bus and openning the door).... my memory fails me. But if such a case could make it to court, so can anyone who feels mislead by a religious leader

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