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Baba defends Kanyari & 310
hardwood
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:16:26 PM
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He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

Quote:
"Why are we setting special
rules for pastors? If people decide to give
the church or their pastors money, the
state has no business telling them that
they cannot," he said.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461
masukuma
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:17:12 PM
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hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

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Njung'e
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:26:59 PM
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Ignore. Clearly, the one speaking in him can only be Kanyari.
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sitaki.kujulikana
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:13:54 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.
masukuma
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:27:25 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.

he committed murder (regardless of motivation).... the separation of state and religion is two sided! The guy murders a whole family could have other motivations such as a movie - would you ban a movie? The line that is drawn is that gava should not tell you what to believe.... it's none of it's business. The state exists for the people and not the people for the state. same with Marriage - it's not government's business to affix itself in personal matters! The state cannot have oversight on what I believe in! Individual rights of belief are inalienable... ati pastors need to have some theological training? what if my religion believes that the 'upako' is hereditary?
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harrydre
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:36:18 PM
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masukuma wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.

he committed murder (regardless of motivation).... the separation of state and religion is two sided! The guy murders a whole family could have other motivations such as a movie - would you ban a movie? The line that is drawn is that gava should not tell you what to believe.... it's none of it's business. The state exists for the people and not the people for the state. same with Marriage - it's not government's business to affix itself in personal matters! The state cannot have oversight on what I believe in! Individual rights of belief are inalienable... ati pastors need to have some theological training? what if my religion believes that the 'upako' is hereditary?


Do the people who con others through Safaricom or fake 'winnings' in the promise of 'something' criminals? if so, then the so called evangelists who promise healings, wealth, husbands etc in exchange of 310's are also criminals.
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murchr
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:38:43 PM
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masukuma wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.

he committed murder (regardless of motivation).... the separation of state and religion is two sided! The guy murders a whole family could have other motivations such as a movie - would you ban a movie? The line that is drawn is that gava should not tell you what to believe.... it's none of it's business. The state exists for the people and not the people for the state. same with Marriage - it's not government's business to affix itself in personal matters! The state cannot have oversight on what I believe in! Individual rights of belief are inalienable... ati pastors need to have some theological training? what if my religion believes that the 'upako' is hereditary?


And Kanyari's is not extortion, fraud,? I dont think there's anything wrong in people giving money to the church, but if you are told to give money in exchange of healing?
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hardwood
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:45:23 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
He has said worshipers are free to give to the pastor, and that govt should keep off matters religion.

www.the-star.co.ke/news/...ys-review-order_c1275461

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly He is right!!

do you think the state should have let that case where a guy slaughtered his family in the name of religion alone.

he committed murder (regardless of motivation).... the separation of state and religion is two sided! The guy murders a whole family could have other motivations such as a movie - would you ban a movie? The line that is drawn is that gava should not tell you what to believe.... it's none of it's business. The state exists for the people and not the people for the state. same with Marriage - it's not government's business to affix itself in personal matters! The state cannot have oversight on what I believe in! Individual rights of belief are inalienable... ati pastors need to have some theological training? what if my religion believes that the 'upako' is hereditary?


And Kanyari's is not extortion, fraud,? I dont think there's anything wrong in people giving money to the church, but if you are told to give money in exchange of healing?


What about those churches that demand that you to submit your payslip so that they can calculate the 10pc tithe?
masukuma
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:47:34 PM
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it's not extortion! it's not fraud! wewe umeongea na mungu ukahakikisha ya kuwa hiyo 'seed' is useless? it's not in exchange for Kanyari to heal them... or Kanyari to make you healthy or wealthy and wise! it's for Kanyari to intercede with a God who has chosen to be invisible (regardless of the fact that the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike) and only talks to him. This God in 'his time' will come through for you... or not if you sin (hidden sin)! or you stop future givings of money... but remember he loves you! if Kanyari and Co. Say they will heal, make you rich e.t.c. and don't - that is fraud but if God says he will... and does not... it's fraud on God's part not Kanyari's. Hapo ndio watu wengi wanapotea! Ama God atokezee aseme... The following people who appear in this poster ceased to be his/her agents.... until then... Kanyari will be the only channel to this God and you cannot prove otherwise!
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masukuma
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:52:40 PM
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hardwood wrote:

What about those churches that demand that you to submit your payslip so that they can calculate the 10pc tithe?

I am sure they read some obscure text to determine this - right? so you cannot prove otherwise! wewe peana payslip ama ukataee... it's not a crime unless they nyangaya you!
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