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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
Kausha
#3041 Posted : Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:02:46 PM
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Have Delta bought some or KQ's B777-200s. KQ has some 4 parked
obiero
#3042 Posted : Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:14:16 PM
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DBLyon wrote:
kayhara wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Someone please educate me on KQ pricing formula I am taking a flight from Mombasa to Nairobi, the plane is about half full and tickets going from 16k, I paid early at 4k wouldn't it make more sense to lower prices to get more passengers?


Yes it makes sense but the guys doing the pricing are shitty characters to say the least,oblivious of reality.


KQ is trying to maximize on the last-minute flyers.
Is it 16k one-way in economy? The idea is that whoever needs to fly will fly and pay 16k.

My view is that you can do so when enough seats are sold out & the flight is breakeven so any 'new' passengers are 90% profit. The problem is that flying breakeven flights is not profitable but flying profitable is profitable.

That's economy funnier still I tried buying a ticket online for a friend and the same flight was now full, the friend drove, I get on the plane and it's not even half full plus is was the big Boeing not the usual Embraer SMH, someone kick sense into Ngunze or is gunze


I never understand that...Booking a ticket last week I got the message that there are only 2 seats left. In choosing a seat this weekend, there were only 3 seats to choose from. When I got to the airport I asked if I could get one further ahead. They said, yes of course. I got the first row after business class. The seat next to me was empty, and so were many others.

That is an alarming claim. No shows do happen, but not half a plane and not on domestic flights.. The empty seats may just represent arap hyena, part of the false ticketing senator nyongo was alluding to..

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#3043 Posted : Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:22:54 PM
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DBLyon wrote:
kayhara wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Someone please educate me on KQ pricing formula I am taking a flight from Mombasa to Nairobi, the plane is about half full and tickets going from 16k, I paid early at 4k wouldn't it make more sense to lower prices to get more passengers?


Yes it makes sense but the guys doing the pricing are shitty characters to say the least,oblivious of reality.


KQ is trying to maximize on the last-minute flyers.
Is it 16k one-way in economy? The idea is that whoever needs to fly will fly and pay 16k.

My view is that you can do so when enough seats are sold out & the flight is breakeven so any 'new' passengers are 90% profit. The problem is that flying breakeven flights is not profitable but flying profitable is profitable.

That's economy funnier still I tried buying a ticket online for a friend and the same flight was now full, the friend drove, I get on the plane and it's not even half full plus is was the big Boeing not the usual Embraer SMH, someone kick sense into Ngunze or is gunze


I never understand that...Booking a ticket last week I got the message that there are only 2 seats left. In choosing a seat this weekend, there were only 3 seats to choose from. When I got to the airport I asked if I could get one further ahead. They said, yes of course. I got the first row after business class. The seat next to me was empty, and so were many others.

KQ is selling seats/tickets like Private Developers 'sell' apartments.

Before the projects starts: 40% sold
When the ground is dug: 50% sold
When the first floor is poured: 60% sold
When the last but one floor is poured: 70% sold
When the last floor is poured: 80% sold
When the painting is completed: 90% sold
When the first unit is sold: 2 units left
When the project is 1 year old: 1 unit left

When you go there, only 40% of the units are occupied!

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Spikes
#3044 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:52:30 AM
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Waiting KQ's performance slide expected to open new doors for 2016 entry at the lowest level of 2bob. KQ is half way to my dream entry price. I'll utter wow loudly as I grace my CDSC account's generous purchasing power to my slumber land.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#3045 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:00:52 AM
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Spikes wrote:
Waiting KQ's performance slide expected to open new doors for 2016 entry at the lowest level of 2bob. KQ is half way to my dream entry price. I'll utter wow loudly as I grace my CDSC account's generous purchasing power to my slumber land.

@spikes how do you arrive at the target price of KES 2.. Secondly, why is the price holding at KES 4.5

KQ ABP 4.26
Spikes
#3046 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:29:19 AM
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@obiero remember the company is operating with negative equity which translates to overpriced KQ at NSE bourse. If next loss announcement broadens further, it'll stir status quo of kes 4.5 by sending jitters amongst Wanjiko who would impulsively let it go on a free fall. Recall it is you to obey the law of gravity; however, if the law of gravity obeys you it is news. The price resistant at kes 4.5 is normal because some guys bought the share expensively and are expecting a reverse in performance which is not forth coming in the next 18 months. Finally the kes 4.5 floor will be broken, as some investors and a handful of speculators will grow impatient on government much awaited bailout, to unveil what is inside ground level.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#3047 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:49:31 AM
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Even 2bob is overprice!@#
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
sparkly
#3048 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:04:51 AM
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Spikes wrote:
@obiero remember the company is operating with negative equity which translates to overpriced KQ at NSE bourse. If next loss announcement broadens further, it'll stir status quo of kes 4.5 by sending jitters amongst Wanjiko who would impulsively let it go on a free fall. Recall it is you to obey the law of gravity; however, if the law of gravity obeys you it is news. The price resistant at kes 4.5 is normal because some guys bought the share expensively and are expecting a reverse in performance which is not forth coming in the next 18 months. Finally the kes 4.5 floor will be broken, as some investors and a handful of speculators will grow impatient on government much awaited bailout, to unveil what is inside ground level.


@Spikes let me give you a basic schooling on how to value asssets.

Value of asset:ADD all foreseeable future incomes TO the expected terminal value of the asset AND discount all to the present value.

The market is saying that if you buy KQ today and hold till Jesus comes back, you will have made KShs 4.50 (give or take a few cents) in today's cash equivalent.

What you are telling us is that by the time Christ come back, you can only make KShs 2.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#3049 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:02:53 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Waiting KQ's performance slide expected to open new doors for 2016 entry at the lowest level of 2bob. KQ is half way to my dream entry price. I'll utter wow loudly as I grace my CDSC account's generous purchasing power to my slumber land.

@spikes how do you arrive at the target price of KES 2.. Secondly, why is the price holding at KES 4.5

PPT
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#3050 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:07:14 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Spikes wrote:
@obiero remember the company is operating with negative equity which translates to overpriced KQ at NSE bourse. If next loss announcement broadens further, it'll stir status quo of kes 4.5 by sending jitters amongst Wanjiko who would impulsively let it go on a free fall. Recall it is you to obey the law of gravity; however, if the law of gravity obeys you it is news. The price resistant at kes 4.5 is normal because some guys bought the share expensively and are expecting a reverse in performance which is not forth coming in the next 18 months. Finally the kes 4.5 floor will be broken, as some investors and a handful of speculators will grow impatient on government much awaited bailout, to unveil what is inside ground level.


@Spikes let me give you a basic schooling on how to value asssets.

Value of asset:ADD all foreseeable future incomes TO the expected terminal value of the asset AND discount all to the present value.

The market is saying that if you buy KQ today and hold till Jesus comes back, you will have made KShs 4.50 (give or take a few cents) in today's cash equivalent.

What you are telling us is that by the time Christ come back, you can only make KShs 2.

Well, I think @Spikes is optimistic. I value KQ shares in its current form [ceteris paribus] at zero.
1) There is no future income/profit expected for 18 months even by the ever optimistic @Obiero. It will take many years after that for profits to build up to decent levels.
2) The expected terminal value [based on today's NAV] is negative for many years. If anything, the hole gets deeper every month. [And there's the real possibility of 'dilution' by a sale of shares to a strategic partner. See ARM].
3) The current discount rate is 15% [I am using the 9-year IFB as my benchmark].
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#3051 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:10:06 AM
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@VituVingiSana
To add on KQ fuel hedging ends in 2016 so KQ doesn't benefit from the low fuel prices.
2017 situation of oil prices is unknown.
Their fuel prices are currently locked at $80-90 per barrel and right now the barrel is st $37
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Cde Monomotapa
#3052 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:11:52 AM
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By the time you realise @spikes has taken after @vvs you will be exhausted. Spikes is turning out the proverbial cow taken to the river but can't be forced to drink. Sad.

If there is a time to actively manage portfolios both locally and internationally is now. That 'stocks for life' thread is a joke in these times. Ask @hisah.

It'll create more jilts like @vvs. That fella who said don't get married to your stocks has never been more relevant!
VituVingiSana
#3053 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:38:58 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@VituVingiSana
To add on KQ fuel hedging ends in 2016 so KQ doesn't benefit from the low fuel prices.
2017 situation of oil prices is unknown.
Their fuel prices are currently locked at $80-90 per barrel and right now the barrel is st $37
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! aka "Dead Man Walking"
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#3054 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:41:08 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
By the time you realise @spikes has taken after @vvs you will be exhausted. Spikes is turning out the proverbial cow taken to the river but can't be forced to drink. Sad.

If there is a time to actively manage portfolios both locally and internationally is now. That 'stocks for life' thread is a joke in these times. Ask @hisah.

It'll create more jilts like @vvs. That fella who said don't get married to your stocks has never been more relevant!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You and @Obiero keep on luring in ignorant investors into your trap. Others like @Kausha @VVS will keep on warning them that getting too close to the candle light flame is dangerous! Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Sober
#3055 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 12:01:38 PM
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The counter is up 9% today and fast approaching 5 bob. Giving shareholders some reason to smile over Christmas
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VituVingiSana
#3056 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 2:33:53 PM
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Sober wrote:
The counter is up 9% today and fast approaching 5 bob. Giving shareholders some reason to smile over Christmas

Total shares traded 45,700 so far valued at 226,550/- and with an outstanding offer of 39,000 at 5/-.

Let's break this down. 226,500/- is less than what many MPs claim as mileage allowance. Even Mumias and HAFR have each traded more value than KQ as of 2.33pm.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
h2s
#3057 Posted : Thursday, December 24, 2015 6:12:20 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Sober wrote:
The counter is up 9% today and fast approaching 5 bob. Giving shareholders some reason to smile over Christmas

Total shares traded 45,700 so far valued at 226,550/- and with an outstanding offer of 39,000 at 5/-.

Let's break this down. 226,500/- is less than what many MPs claim as mileage allowance. Even Mumias and HAFR have each traded more value than KQ as of 2.33pm.

Indeed, reminds us of the infamous rise of Keny Orchards :)
obiero
#3058 Posted : Friday, December 25, 2015 12:19:32 AM
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h2s wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Sober wrote:
The counter is up 9% today and fast approaching 5 bob. Giving shareholders some reason to smile over Christmas

Total shares traded 45,700 so far valued at 226,550/- and with an outstanding offer of 39,000 at 5/-.

Let's break this down. 226,500/- is less than what many MPs claim as mileage allowance. Even Mumias and HAFR have each traded more value than KQ as of 2.33pm.

Indeed, reminds us of the infamous rise of Keny Orchards :)

Comparing KORCH to KQ.. In what sense? Revenue? Issued shares?

KQ ABP 4.26
Cde Monomotapa
#3059 Posted : Friday, December 25, 2015 11:40:05 AM
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au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016
http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015
http://airlineroute.net/...25/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/
VituVingiSana
#3060 Posted : Friday, December 25, 2015 1:57:53 PM
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obiero wrote:
h2s wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Sober wrote:
The counter is up 9% today and fast approaching 5 bob. Giving shareholders some reason to smile over Christmas

Total shares traded 45,700 so far valued at 226,550/- and with an outstanding offer of 39,000 at 5/-.

Let's break this down. 226,500/- is less than what many MPs claim as mileage allowance. Even Mumias and HAFR have each traded more value than KQ as of 2.33pm.

Indeed, reminds us of the infamous rise of Keny Orchards :)

Comparing KORCH to KQ.. In what sense? Revenue? Issued shares?

Losses?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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