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MaichBlack wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Othelo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Add on top of that WTO in Nairobi have hit a deadlock on a number of issues favouring developing countries like us.
China gave us the sh.10.5bn loan so that we don't raise any issue about unfair practices to nations like us. What do you expect when wolves are negotiating with lambs. Africans have to take by force what belongs to Africans. Stop extending begging bowls to our first/second world cousins I have always wondered why Africa cannot organise themselves and create some serious trading block and development fund!!! Exactly! Trade between Africa and the west is heavily tilted in favour of the west. The west buys raw materials (never finished goods) then sells back finished goods. African products are faced with Tariff and Non tariff barriers in the west. Intra African trade on mutually beneficial terms can fast track development. e.g. South Sudan to sell oil to Kenya, Kenyan banks to provide development capital in SS. This is practical written wise ,but on the ground just to let you know the west Will never allow this to happen.kwani where do you think they will sell their finished product if you depend on each other.should someone try that sinister move they will slap you with bans and trade embargos. Ask Gaddafi.he tried to make sure that Africa depends on herself ...they got rid of him very fast. We need people like Tom Sankara and the pan African leaders . Finally!!! Someone who understands why the west got rid of Gaddafi!!! The dream and model Gaddafi had for Africa would have totally upset the status quo. Look at the way foreign companies including oil companies were made to operate in Libya! No Parasitic agreements allowed. First question, how does this deal benefit Libya. People should read about the Gaddafi Libya! Ridiculously low taxes, free education to University level, Government pays for you University fees abroad of you want to do something not offered in Libya, working welfare system, Cheques (Yes, you actually get a cheque!!!) from oil proceeds etc. Libyans will never get that life back! Not the next two generations at least!!! The west potrayed him as evil witch yet few people understood what big heart he had for Africa. He was a threat to west especially France with the Africa satellite project.halafu wakaua yeye. Whoever praises the western machinery are brainwashed
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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@MaichBlack Similar to what happened to us here in Kenya when they came with the SAPs (Structural Adjustment Plans). Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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enyands wrote:MaichBlack wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Othelo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Add on top of that WTO in Nairobi have hit a deadlock on a number of issues favouring developing countries like us.
China gave us the sh.10.5bn loan so that we don't raise any issue about unfair practices to nations like us. What do you expect when wolves are negotiating with lambs. Africans have to take by force what belongs to Africans. Stop extending begging bowls to our first/second world cousins I have always wondered why Africa cannot organise themselves and create some serious trading block and development fund!!! Exactly! Trade between Africa and the west is heavily tilted in favour of the west. The west buys raw materials (never finished goods) then sells back finished goods. African products are faced with Tariff and Non tariff barriers in the west. Intra African trade on mutually beneficial terms can fast track development. e.g. South Sudan to sell oil to Kenya, Kenyan banks to provide development capital in SS. This is practical written wise ,but on the ground just to let you know the west Will never allow this to happen.kwani where do you think they will sell their finished product if you depend on each other.should someone try that sinister move they will slap you with bans and trade embargos. Ask Gaddafi.he tried to make sure that Africa depends on herself ...they got rid of him very fast. We need people like Tom Sankara and the pan African leaders . Finally!!! Someone who understands why the west got rid of Gaddafi!!! The dream and model Gaddafi had for Africa would have totally upset the status quo. Look at the way foreign companies including oil companies were made to operate in Libya! No Parasitic agreements allowed. First question, how does this deal benefit Libya. People should read about the Gaddafi Libya! Ridiculously low taxes, free education to University level, Government pays for you University fees abroad of you want to do something not offered in Libya, working welfare system, Cheques (Yes, you actually get a cheque!!!) from oil proceeds etc. Libyans will never get that life back! Not the next two generations at least!!! The west potrayed him as evil witch yet few people understood what big heart he had for Africa. He was a threat to west especially France with the Africa satellite project.halafu wakaua yeye. Whoever praises the western machinery are brainwashed The quality of life was at par with Scandinavian countries. Even UN reports said as much.But when NATO gangs up against you, your odds of survival are minimal. Only Russia and China can fight them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/10/2014 Posts: 992 Location: Kenya
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whiteowl wrote:enyands wrote:MaichBlack wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Othelo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Add on top of that WTO in Nairobi have hit a deadlock on a number of issues favouring developing countries like us.
China gave us the sh.10.5bn loan so that we don't raise any issue about unfair practices to nations like us. What do you expect when wolves are negotiating with lambs. Africans have to take by force what belongs to Africans. Stop extending begging bowls to our first/second world cousins I have always wondered why Africa cannot organise themselves and create some serious trading block and development fund!!! Exactly! Trade between Africa and the west is heavily tilted in favour of the west. The west buys raw materials (never finished goods) then sells back finished goods. African products are faced with Tariff and Non tariff barriers in the west. Intra African trade on mutually beneficial terms can fast track development. e.g. South Sudan to sell oil to Kenya, Kenyan banks to provide development capital in SS. This is practical written wise ,but on the ground just to let you know the west Will never allow this to happen.kwani where do you think they will sell their finished product if you depend on each other.should someone try that sinister move they will slap you with bans and trade embargos. Ask Gaddafi.he tried to make sure that Africa depends on herself ...they got rid of him very fast. We need people like Tom Sankara and the pan African leaders . Finally!!! Someone who understands why the west got rid of Gaddafi!!! The dream and model Gaddafi had for Africa would have totally upset the status quo. Look at the way foreign companies including oil companies were made to operate in Libya! No Parasitic agreements allowed. First question, how does this deal benefit Libya. People should read about the Gaddafi Libya! Ridiculously low taxes, free education to University level, Government pays for you University fees abroad of you want to do something not offered in Libya, working welfare system, Cheques (Yes, you actually get a cheque!!!) from oil proceeds etc. Libyans will never get that life back! Not the next two generations at least!!! The west potrayed him as evil witch yet few people understood what big heart he had for Africa. He was a threat to west especially France with the Africa satellite project.halafu wakaua yeye. Whoever praises the western machinery are brainwashed The quality of life was at par with Scandinavian countries. Even UN reports said as much.But when NATO gangs up against you, your odds of survival are minimal. Only Russia and China can fight them. The developed nations have so much spending power in their countries with most of the wealth in the world there. They literally have us by the balls. Eg travel advisories cripple the tourism sector in the snap of a finger, kenya shillings value collapses. Biggest exchange earner is remittances, well deny us visas and we fall down further
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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Add on top of that we are stealing from the public coffers more than what our economy can accomodate Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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watesh wrote:whiteowl wrote:enyands wrote:MaichBlack wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Othelo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Add on top of that WTO in Nairobi have hit a deadlock on a number of issues favouring developing countries like us.
China gave us the sh.10.5bn loan so that we don't raise any issue about unfair practices to nations like us. What do you expect when wolves are negotiating with lambs. Africans have to take by force what belongs to Africans. Stop extending begging bowls to our first/second world cousins I have always wondered why Africa cannot organise themselves and create some serious trading block and development fund!!! Exactly! Trade between Africa and the west is heavily tilted in favour of the west. The west buys raw materials (never finished goods) then sells back finished goods. African products are faced with Tariff and Non tariff barriers in the west. Intra African trade on mutually beneficial terms can fast track development. e.g. South Sudan to sell oil to Kenya, Kenyan banks to provide development capital in SS. This is practical written wise ,but on the ground just to let you know the west Will never allow this to happen.kwani where do you think they will sell their finished product if you depend on each other.should someone try that sinister move they will slap you with bans and trade embargos. Ask Gaddafi.he tried to make sure that Africa depends on herself ...they got rid of him very fast. We need people like Tom Sankara and the pan African leaders . Finally!!! Someone who understands why the west got rid of Gaddafi!!! The dream and model Gaddafi had for Africa would have totally upset the status quo. Look at the way foreign companies including oil companies were made to operate in Libya! No Parasitic agreements allowed. First question, how does this deal benefit Libya. People should read about the Gaddafi Libya! Ridiculously low taxes, free education to University level, Government pays for you University fees abroad of you want to do something not offered in Libya, working welfare system, Cheques (Yes, you actually get a cheque!!!) from oil proceeds etc. Libyans will never get that life back! Not the next two generations at least!!! The west potrayed him as evil witch yet few people understood what big heart he had for Africa. He was a threat to west especially France with the Africa satellite project.halafu wakaua yeye. Whoever praises the western machinery are brainwashed The quality of life was at par with Scandinavian countries. Even UN reports said as much.But when NATO gangs up against you, your odds of survival are minimal. Only Russia and China can fight them. The developed nations have so much spending power in their countries with most of the wealth in the world there. They literally have us by the balls. Eg travel advisories cripple the tourism sector in the snap of a finger, kenya shillings value collapses. Biggest exchange earner is remittances, well deny us visas and we fall down further Obama came and signed some anti money laundering with UK whereby anyone from majuu who wires money more than $10,000 the cbk should report to IRS.then IRS will audit your past filings to see if your money is legit .I think most of diaspora work hard and send much money home. Those guys want their money to stay in their countries.they have been keeping note of record shattering wire remittance Kenyans do. "THIS ATTRACTED THEIR ATTENTION" hence treaty Obama signed. I repeat once the western realise that there is something that threatens their survival then they will do anything to protect their interest.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:@MaichBlack
Similar to what happened to us here in Kenya when they came with the SAPs (Structural Adjustment Plans).
Ahem, why was their the need for SAPs? Coz Moi & cronies had f****d us in the a**e with corruption & tribalism. Stop sugarcoating it. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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watesh wrote:whiteowl wrote:enyands wrote:MaichBlack wrote:enyands wrote:sparkly wrote:Othelo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Add on top of that WTO in Nairobi have hit a deadlock on a number of issues favouring developing countries like us.
China gave us the sh.10.5bn loan so that we don't raise any issue about unfair practices to nations like us. What do you expect when wolves are negotiating with lambs. Africans have to take by force what belongs to Africans. Stop extending begging bowls to our first/second world cousins I have always wondered why Africa cannot organise themselves and create some serious trading block and development fund!!! Exactly! Trade between Africa and the west is heavily tilted in favour of the west. The west buys raw materials (never finished goods) then sells back finished goods. African products are faced with Tariff and Non tariff barriers in the west. Intra African trade on mutually beneficial terms can fast track development. e.g. South Sudan to sell oil to Kenya, Kenyan banks to provide development capital in SS. This is practical written wise ,but on the ground just to let you know the west Will never allow this to happen.kwani where do you think they will sell their finished product if you depend on each other.should someone try that sinister move they will slap you with bans and trade embargos. Ask Gaddafi.he tried to make sure that Africa depends on herself ...they got rid of him very fast. We need people like Tom Sankara and the pan African leaders . Finally!!! Someone who understands why the west got rid of Gaddafi!!! The dream and model Gaddafi had for Africa would have totally upset the status quo. Look at the way foreign companies including oil companies were made to operate in Libya! No Parasitic agreements allowed. First question, how does this deal benefit Libya. People should read about the Gaddafi Libya! Ridiculously low taxes, free education to University level, Government pays for you University fees abroad of you want to do something not offered in Libya, working welfare system, Cheques (Yes, you actually get a cheque!!!) from oil proceeds etc. Libyans will never get that life back! Not the next two generations at least!!! The west potrayed him as evil witch yet few people understood what big heart he had for Africa. He was a threat to west especially France with the Africa satellite project.halafu wakaua yeye. Whoever praises the western machinery are brainwashed The quality of life was at par with Scandinavian countries. Even UN reports said as much.But when NATO gangs up against you, your odds of survival are minimal. Only Russia and China can fight them. The developed nations have so much spending power in their countries with most of the wealth in the world there. They literally have us by the balls. Eg travel advisories cripple the tourism sector in the snap of a finger, kenya shillings value collapses. Biggest exchange earner is remittances, well deny us visas and we fall down further  Nonsense. Stop conning folks. In any case, we do the same. We complain when expats send money to their 'homes' just as @Ericsson complained about 'foreign ownership' but when I asked about Kenyans owning firms in Rwanda, TZ and UG... there was no response. To summarize: "We don't want foreign investment that requires a return" but "We want a return when we invest in other countries" Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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To add on my comment like i had posted on post number 145; "Add on top of that we are stealing from the public coffers more than what our economy can accomodate" Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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@VituVingiSana Punguza emotions @Watesh was making a point that we need the West more than they need us. Any change of law they do hurts us most than when we do the same. I gave u response on the issue of foreign ownership since u hadn't understood my point. Take time and understand what one says before commenting with statements like nonsense Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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