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AlphDoti wrote:murchr wrote:AlphDoti wrote:safariant wrote:Ngo slowly. .. eh hehe..  @safariant, I found the below regarding the letter above. Quote:I always avoid getting personal or even political with Dennis Itumbi after the disappearance of Bogonko Bosire and how they treated it as a 'normal thing'. However, there is this BAT scam he has been trying to drag in Raila Odinga. Desperate to broaden 'corruption' that's currently engulfing it, Jubilee has roped in Raila ODINGA, the usual bogeyman for official cover-up.
Itumbi is using a letter written by then PS in PM's office Mr. Andrew Mondow to KRA to stop action on Mastermind. What Itumbi isn't saying is why the Office of the Prime Minister got involved.
BACKGROUND BAT (British American Tobacco), a cigarette manufacturer bribed KRA officials to enforce punitive tax actions on Mastermind, a LOCAL cigarette manufacturer so as to monopolize the Kenyan cigarette market. Mastermind, having no other office to turn to lodged its case with the Office of the Prime Minister.
The office of the Prime Minister then WROTE THE LETTER Itumbi is peddling on social media. This letter RESTRAINED KRA (then already bribed by BAT) to stop its punitive tax action on Mastermind. The result (which Itumbi is not saying) is that Mastermind, with Raila's intervention, survived.
RAILA THE BELIEVER IN LOCAL COMPANIES. Now, unlike BAT, which keeps its profits in Europe and America, Mastermind is a local company. The story of local companies in Kenya is a story of one incorruptible office stopping the overbearance of multinational companies from suffocating it out of business. (1). It is the story of Keroche Breweries whose wars with EABL also ended on PM Raila Odinga's desk. Had Raila not intervened, Keroche would be dead. For this fact, Keroche has remained grateful to Mr. Odinga. (2). It is the story that pitted Tuskys and Naivas against Indians (Ukwala and Nakummat). It is the story of Equity Bank and its decade long battle to break the banking ceiling in Kenya, then held by colonial era European/American banks. (3). It is the story of every single start-up company with the potential to eat into a multinational company's market share.
It's flipside, that is, if there is no one to help such companies, they die. They get consumed by giant multinationals with connections to KRA or any corrupt regulatory body in Kenya. Safaricom remains a monopoly because of this.
Back to Mastermind. When you read the revelations (being exclusively published by business daily) nowhere in the bits and pieces does Mr. Hopkins (the whistleblower) indicate that he bribed Mr. Odinga, or Mr. Mondoh. This same man does however boldly indicate they bribed Martha Karua and Moses Wetangula (on behalf of BAT) to punish Mastermind. In a sense, Raila Odinga stopped corruption. He stopped corrupt KRA officials from driving Mastermind out of business. He stopped PNU (now TNA/JP) cashcow (both Wetangula and Karua were high ranking PNU honchos).
Even more egregious, during this time, KRA commissioner for domestic tax was a Mr. John Njiraini. Well, the man got promoted! Instead of Mr. Itumbi using his energies to push for removal of this Njiraini, now the KRA Commissioner-General, he is busy maligning the name of Mr. Andrew Mondoh and Mr. Raila Odinga.
The facts of the BAT scam (it is called BAT scam because it is BAT that was corrupting public officials to drive Mastermind out of market) is out there but the propaganda of it all is being peddled in here.
Friends, read this letter and tell me if you think Mr. Odinga didn't act in good faith, or, in accordance with the law: Alphi, wacha upuzi. All companies should pay taxes period. If these local companies feel that they should receive special treatment, they should lobby govt thru parliament to ammend laws so that they can receive special treatment. Any other scheme out of that is corruption. Tax evasion punishable by law. I didn't know BABA is the law. All I see in that letter is a request to hold that move. I don't see where it said xyz company should not pay tax That amounts to "interference of a state organization". Abuse of office. If Mastermind had a problem with the taxes, they should have gone to court or lobby for the law to be amended "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean
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murchr wrote:AlphDoti wrote:murchr wrote:AlphDoti wrote:safariant wrote:Ngo slowly. .. eh hehe..  @safariant, I found the below regarding the letter above. Quote:I always avoid getting personal or even political with Dennis Itumbi after the disappearance of Bogonko Bosire and how they treated it as a 'normal thing'. However, there is this BAT scam he has been trying to drag in Raila Odinga. Desperate to broaden 'corruption' that's currently engulfing it, Jubilee has roped in Raila ODINGA, the usual bogeyman for official cover-up.
Itumbi is using a letter written by then PS in PM's office Mr. Andrew Mondow to KRA to stop action on Mastermind. What Itumbi isn't saying is why the Office of the Prime Minister got involved.
BACKGROUND BAT (British American Tobacco), a cigarette manufacturer bribed KRA officials to enforce punitive tax actions on Mastermind, a LOCAL cigarette manufacturer so as to monopolize the Kenyan cigarette market. Mastermind, having no other office to turn to lodged its case with the Office of the Prime Minister.
The office of the Prime Minister then WROTE THE LETTER Itumbi is peddling on social media. This letter RESTRAINED KRA (then already bribed by BAT) to stop its punitive tax action on Mastermind. The result (which Itumbi is not saying) is that Mastermind, with Raila's intervention, survived.
RAILA THE BELIEVER IN LOCAL COMPANIES. Now, unlike BAT, which keeps its profits in Europe and America, Mastermind is a local company. The story of local companies in Kenya is a story of one incorruptible office stopping the overbearance of multinational companies from suffocating it out of business. (1). It is the story of Keroche Breweries whose wars with EABL also ended on PM Raila Odinga's desk. Had Raila not intervened, Keroche would be dead. For this fact, Keroche has remained grateful to Mr. Odinga. (2). It is the story that pitted Tuskys and Naivas against Indians (Ukwala and Nakummat). It is the story of Equity Bank and its decade long battle to break the banking ceiling in Kenya, then held by colonial era European/American banks. (3). It is the story of every single start-up company with the potential to eat into a multinational company's market share.
It's flipside, that is, if there is no one to help such companies, they die. They get consumed by giant multinationals with connections to KRA or any corrupt regulatory body in Kenya. Safaricom remains a monopoly because of this.
Back to Mastermind. When you read the revelations (being exclusively published by business daily) nowhere in the bits and pieces does Mr. Hopkins (the whistleblower) indicate that he bribed Mr. Odinga, or Mr. Mondoh. This same man does however boldly indicate they bribed Martha Karua and Moses Wetangula (on behalf of BAT) to punish Mastermind. In a sense, Raila Odinga stopped corruption. He stopped corrupt KRA officials from driving Mastermind out of business. He stopped PNU (now TNA/JP) cashcow (both Wetangula and Karua were high ranking PNU honchos).
Even more egregious, during this time, KRA commissioner for domestic tax was a Mr. John Njiraini. Well, the man got promoted! Instead of Mr. Itumbi using his energies to push for removal of this Njiraini, now the KRA Commissioner-General, he is busy maligning the name of Mr. Andrew Mondoh and Mr. Raila Odinga.
The facts of the BAT scam (it is called BAT scam because it is BAT that was corrupting public officials to drive Mastermind out of market) is out there but the propaganda of it all is being peddled in here.
Friends, read this letter and tell me if you think Mr. Odinga didn't act in good faith, or, in accordance with the law: Alphi, wacha upuzi. All companies should pay taxes period. If these local companies feel that they should receive special treatment, they should lobby govt thru parliament to ammend laws so that they can receive special treatment. Any other scheme out of that is corruption. Tax evasion punishable by law. I didn't know BABA is the law. All I see in that letter is a request to hold that move. I don't see where it said xyz company should not pay tax That amounts to "interference of a state organization". Abuse of office. If Mastermind had a problem with the taxes, they should have gone to court or lobby for the law to be amended Just blinded by mr pamba charm, see no wrong as long as its one of our own.
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM No please, no...do you have that job description? The role of KRA is to collect taxes, an authority and role given to them by the constitution. The PM has no authority to stop that. If Mastermind wanted special preferential treatment, there are ways of going about that, by having parliament amend the law so that it suits them. This begs to question, was the PM bribed to stop KRA from collecting taxes? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM No please, no...do you have that job description? The role of KRA is to collect taxes, an authority and role given to them by the constitution. The PM has no authority to stop that. If Mastermind wanted special preferential treatment, there are ways of going about that, by having parliament amend the law so that it suits them. This begs to question, was the PM bribed to stop KRA from collecting taxes? KRA is not an indepedent institution, but a department/agency under Treasury. PM then was the supervisor of all ministries during the nusu mkeka gava!!! Therefore the letter formed part of this role!!! Which chapter in the Constitution is KRA role outlined?????? Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM No please, no...do you have that job description? The role of KRA is to collect taxes, an authority and role given to them by the constitution. The PM has no authority to stop that. If Mastermind wanted special preferential treatment, there are ways of going about that, by having parliament amend the law so that it suits them. This begs to question, was the PM bribed to stop KRA from collecting taxes? KRA is not an indepedent institution, but a department/agency under Treasury. PM then was the supervisor of all ministries during the nusu mkeka gava!!! Therefore the letter formed part of this role!!! The Law wrote:5. Functions of the Authority (1) The Authority shall, under the general supervision of the Minister, be an agency of the Government for the collection and receipt of all revenue. (2) In the performance of its functions under subsection (1), the Authority shall— (a) administer and enforce— (i) all provisions of the written laws set out in Part I of the First Schedule and for that purpose, to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (ii) the provisions of the written laws set out in Part II of the First Schedule relating to revenue and for that purpose to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (b) to advise the Government on all matters relating to the administration of, and the collection of revenue under the written laws or the specified provisions of the written laws set out in the First Schedule; and [Rev. 2014] Kenya Revenue Authority CAP. 469 K24 - 7 [Issue 3] (c) to perform such other functions in relation to revenue as the Minister may direct. (3) The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, amend the First Schedule General supervision does not amount to aiding a company to evade taxes. Could be the same thing happening to Keroche "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM No please, no...do you have that job description? The role of KRA is to collect taxes, an authority and role given to them by the constitution. The PM has no authority to stop that. If Mastermind wanted special preferential treatment, there are ways of going about that, by having parliament amend the law so that it suits them. This begs to question, was the PM bribed to stop KRA from collecting taxes? KRA is not an indepedent institution, but a department/agency under Treasury. PM then was the supervisor of all ministries during the nusu mkeka gava!!! Therefore the letter formed part of this role!!! The Law wrote:5. Functions of the Authority (1) The Authority shall, under the general supervision of the Minister, be an agency of the Government for the collection and receipt of all revenue. (2) In the performance of its functions under subsection (1), the Authority shall— (a) administer and enforce— (i) all provisions of the written laws set out in Part I of the First Schedule and for that purpose, to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (ii) the provisions of the written laws set out in Part II of the First Schedule relating to revenue and for that purpose to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (b) to advise the Government on all matters relating to the administration of, and the collection of revenue under the written laws or the specified provisions of the written laws set out in the First Schedule; and [Rev. 2014] Kenya Revenue Authority CAP. 469 K24 - 7 [Issue 3] (c) to perform such other functions in relation to revenue as the Minister may direct. (3) The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, amend the First Schedule General supervision does not amount to aiding a company to evade taxes. Could be the same thing happening to Keroche Stop peddling lies, that is an Act not the constitution. KRA is not mention anywhere in the Kenya Constitution 2010. Further, the letter is dated before the new constitution was promulgated. Revenue collection is not done blindly, in any case the PM was just setting the stage for arbitratio which again is allowed in matters tax collection!!!The PM just recognised that there was a dispute that needed to be sorted out. Actually the directive is very clear, Treasury (KRA being part of it) and Mastermind to meet and iron out the issue. The language of the letter also recognises that the ultimate revenue collection authority rests with KRA. Very clear. I know Baba has his own weaknesses but that letter doesnot abet corruption in any way whatsoever Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Othelo wrote:murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:murchr wrote:Othelo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Othelo wrote:At least Baba has been fighting for local companies. By the way that letter, there is nothing incriminating at all. It still leaves the meeting to be held by the different governament agencies to make the final decision. Baba just provided a working and enabling platform for Mastermind to be heard!!! Wapi corruption hapo please!!!  risasi was just lobbying for a local company, nothing wrong with that, its just the leader of government asking the revenue authority to stop their tax collection demands from a local company. Nothing wrong with that, I mean If you read the letter, that was part of his job as PM No please, no...do you have that job description? The role of KRA is to collect taxes, an authority and role given to them by the constitution. The PM has no authority to stop that. If Mastermind wanted special preferential treatment, there are ways of going about that, by having parliament amend the law so that it suits them. This begs to question, was the PM bribed to stop KRA from collecting taxes? KRA is not an indepedent institution, but a department/agency under Treasury. PM then was the supervisor of all ministries during the nusu mkeka gava!!! Therefore the letter formed part of this role!!! The Law wrote:5. Functions of the Authority (1) The Authority shall, under the general supervision of the Minister, be an agency of the Government for the collection and receipt of all revenue. (2) In the performance of its functions under subsection (1), the Authority shall— (a) administer and enforce— (i) all provisions of the written laws set out in Part I of the First Schedule and for that purpose, to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (ii) the provisions of the written laws set out in Part II of the First Schedule relating to revenue and for that purpose to assess, collect and account for all revenues in accordance with those laws; (b) to advise the Government on all matters relating to the administration of, and the collection of revenue under the written laws or the specified provisions of the written laws set out in the First Schedule; and [Rev. 2014] Kenya Revenue Authority CAP. 469 K24 - 7 [Issue 3] (c) to perform such other functions in relation to revenue as the Minister may direct. (3) The Minister may, by notice in the Gazette, amend the First Schedule General supervision does not amount to aiding a company to evade taxes. Could be the same thing happening to Keroche Stop peddling lies, that is an Act not the constitution. KRA is not mention anywhere in the Kenya Constitution 2010. Further, the letter is dated before the new constitution was promulgated. Revenue collection is not done blindly, in any case the PM was just setting the stage for arbitratio which again is allowed in matters tax collection!!!The PM just recognised that there was a dispute that needed to be sorted out. Actually the directive is very clear, Treasury (KRA being part of it) and Mastermind to meet and iron out the issue. The language of the letter also recognises that the ultimate revenue collection authority rests with KRA. Very clear. I know Baba has his own weaknesses but that letter doesnot abet corruption in any way whatsoever So is baba above any other law apart from the constitution? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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