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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists
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kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about????? Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Othelo wrote:kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about????? haha It's always someone elses fault. This gov't is safi kama pamba. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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It's also a system problem. Lawyers exploit weaknesses in financial management systems to convince the judge 'there's no evidence'. As a result most of money acquired through corruption ends up being 'cleaned' throu real estate b4 culprits can be brought to book or cases concluded.Perhaps we need to focus on this more than anything else. Blaming mutunga is just a way of passing the buck.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Othelo wrote:kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about?????  wengi hawaelewi gatiba
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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funny place, we admonish the government for abetting impunity and when a high profile mtu wetu is summoned by a constitutional office we are here to try and find a way out for him, sijui whistle blower, sijui no reason for arresting him, we quickly become the investigating officers and the judge when it is mtu wetu.
I mean it was a summon and just as the government has wronged in disobeying court orders, or just as Oparanya has wronged to ignore the senate summons, baba wronged to ignore the summons.
When its mtu wetu its ok, when its mtu wenyu its bad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:Othelo wrote:kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about????? haha It's always someone elses fault. This gov't is safi kama pamba. There are 3 arms of govt, the executive, legislature and judiciary. And the judiciary has been a big let down. Mutunga should at least jail one big fish before he retires.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:funny place, we admonish the government for abetting impunity and when a high profile mtu wetu is summoned by a constitutional office we are here to try and find a way out for him, sijui whistle blower, sijui no reason for arresting him, we quickly become the investigating officers and the judge when it is mtu wetu.
I mean it was a summon and just as the government has wronged in disobeying court orders, or just as Oparanya has wronged to ignore the senate summons, baba wronged to ignore the summons.
When its mtu wetu its ok, when its mtu wenyu its bad. And that is the reason why this war on corruption will never be won. It is also the reason that this nation will continue rotting until Ethiopia and Tanzania dwarf us in economic and political affairs...indeed they will dwarf us in everything (social, economical, and political)that we foolishly boast about Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Fyatu wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:funny place, we admonish the government for abetting impunity and when a high profile mtu wetu is summoned by a constitutional office we are here to try and find a way out for him, sijui whistle blower, sijui no reason for arresting him, we quickly become the investigating officers and the judge when it is mtu wetu.
I mean it was a summon and just as the government has wronged in disobeying court orders, or just as Oparanya has wronged to ignore the senate summons, baba wronged to ignore the summons.
When its mtu wetu its ok, when its mtu wenyu its bad. And that is the reason why this war on corruption will never be won. It is also the reason that this nation will continue rotting until Ethiopia and Tanzania dwarf us in economic and political affairs...indeed they will dwarf us in everything (social, economical, and political)that we foolishly boast about Baba is a above the law and cannot be summoned by some fake concocted lousy lazy body to advance their course to be seen to be fighting corruption yet deep down we all know what is up..... !!!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Othelo wrote:Fyatu wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:funny place, we admonish the government for abetting impunity and when a high profile mtu wetu is summoned by a constitutional office we are here to try and find a way out for him, sijui whistle blower, sijui no reason for arresting him, we quickly become the investigating officers and the judge when it is mtu wetu.
I mean it was a summon and just as the government has wronged in disobeying court orders, or just as Oparanya has wronged to ignore the senate summons, baba wronged to ignore the summons.
When its mtu wetu its ok, when its mtu wenyu its bad. And that is the reason why this war on corruption will never be won. It is also the reason that this nation will continue rotting until Ethiopia and Tanzania dwarf us in economic and political affairs...indeed they will dwarf us in everything (social, economical, and political)that we foolishly boast about Baba is a above the law and cannot be summoned by some fake concocted lousy lazy body to advance their course to be seen to be fighting corruption yet deep down we all know what is up..... !!!!! Then all kenyans should ignore the "lousy lazy body" including waegooroo & co. Coz baba has shown us the way.
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hardwood wrote:Othelo wrote:Fyatu wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:funny place, we admonish the government for abetting impunity and when a high profile mtu wetu is summoned by a constitutional office we are here to try and find a way out for him, sijui whistle blower, sijui no reason for arresting him, we quickly become the investigating officers and the judge when it is mtu wetu.
I mean it was a summon and just as the government has wronged in disobeying court orders, or just as Oparanya has wronged to ignore the senate summons, baba wronged to ignore the summons.
When its mtu wetu its ok, when its mtu wenyu its bad. And that is the reason why this war on corruption will never be won. It is also the reason that this nation will continue rotting until Ethiopia and Tanzania dwarf us in economic and political affairs...indeed they will dwarf us in everything (social, economical, and political)that we foolishly boast about Baba is a above the law and cannot be summoned by some fake concocted lousy lazy body to advance their course to be seen to be fighting corruption yet deep down we all know what is up..... !!!!! Then all kenyans should ignore the "lousy lazy body" including waegooroo & co. Coz baba has shown us the way. Baba is an exception....... let the others try and see fireworks, they will be used as e.g. Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I think the investigators lacked tact.
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. They are incompetent and lack moral authority to deal with Baba! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. lack of tack or not, the constitutional body was bullied, now whether its the president bullying them or risasi, it remains that we have sacred white milk and cotton in kenya. Now the real baba wa nchi seems to have passed some qualities to his children and also to his short term adopted children. it seems the institutions only work when they are not targeting one of us, otherwise we deem them useless the moment they have their spotlight on mtu wetu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. lack of tack or not, the constitutional body was bullied, now whether its the president bullying them or risasi, it remains that we have sacred white milk and cotton in kenya. Now the real baba wa nchi seems to have passed some qualities to his children and also to his short term adopted children. it seems the institutions only work when they are not targeting one of us, otherwise we deem them useless the moment they have their spotlight on mtu wetu This is one way of looking at it that would probably worsen things. What I know is that even the constitution is subject to prevailing conditions and when implementing it, agents need to be careful on implications of various actions. The investigators for example, ought not to have gone for the sensational and risk losing out on their intentions-assuming the intention to investigate was genuine. Now they have to work double time to reach their goals. An alternate hypothesis would be that the investigators in fact expected the reaction and the consequence would serve to divert attention from other investigations, and that Mr. Odinga walked into a trap.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Othelo wrote:kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about????? Yeah i know , tell me what Mutunga has done so far on corruption. Do you want Uhuru to go and do the prosecution? If i do not know Mutunga's job, then tell me because you seem to know much better. As for the prosecutors, get their match it has always been the case of "the case was thrown out bla bla " and this is because these prosecutors cannot match the likes of Ahmednassir or kina Khaminwas .
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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kiash wrote:Othelo wrote:kiash wrote:I think in Kenya , the real let down on corruption is not Uhuru but Mutunga. I heard even Uhuru told him during Jamhuri day.This guy is like Miguna Miguna, goes abroad and gets a doctorate and starts the liberation thing saying ooh Moi oooh Moi and then he comes home , he is given the best job ever to show his skills and he ends up failig. He is saying the anticorruption courts will start operating in Jan next year yet the wetangular thing is in the courts since 2013.What has he done ???? Can't he get the best prosecutors ever?? And then he will retire just like he came.
Reminds me of PLO on the EACC, he had to march in the streets with normal wananchi
Orengo
Kiraitu wa murungi
Gitobu Imanyara
Maina Kiai
And now Boni Mwangi
Just activists Do you know what you are talking about????? Yeah i know , tell me what Mutunga has done so far on corruption. Do you want Uhuru to go and do the prosecution? If i do not know Mutunga's job, then tell me because you seem to know much better. As for the prosecutors, get their match it has always been the case of "the case was thrown out bla bla " and this is because these prosecutors cannot match the likes of Ahmednassir or kina Khaminwas . Prosecutions/prosecutors is not the responsibility of Mutunga!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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tycho wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. lack of tack or not, the constitutional body was bullied, now whether its the president bullying them or risasi, it remains that we have sacred white milk and cotton in kenya. Now the real baba wa nchi seems to have passed some qualities to his children and also to his short term adopted children. it seems the institutions only work when they are not targeting one of us, otherwise we deem them useless the moment they have their spotlight on mtu wetu This is one way of looking at it that would probably worsen things. What I know is that even the constitution is subject to prevailing conditions and when implementing it, agents need to be careful on implications of various actions. The investigators for example, ought not to have gone for the sensational and risk losing out on their intentions-assuming the intention to investigate was genuine. Now they have to work double time to reach their goals. An alternate hypothesis would be that the investigators in fact expected the reaction and the consequence would serve to divert attention from other investigations, and that Mr. Odinga walked into a trap. ha, interesting angle, on the second point, I would love to hope that was the game plan. but your first point just reinforces the notion that there are some people who are untouchables, I think if need be, a country like Kenya needs to go through or test those implications to the max otherwise you end up with a class of individuals who sadly believe that they are supreme beings who can not be touched. Look at stuff like kazi kwa vijana, tokyo issue, weston and the kids among others, these are individuals who have gotten to a level where they feel nothing can happen to them, they are corruption pimps.
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. lack of tack or not, the constitutional body was bullied, now whether its the president bullying them or risasi, it remains that we have sacred white milk and cotton in kenya. Now the real baba wa nchi seems to have passed some qualities to his children and also to his short term adopted children. it seems the institutions only work when they are not targeting one of us, otherwise we deem them useless the moment they have their spotlight on mtu wetu This is one way of looking at it that would probably worsen things. What I know is that even the constitution is subject to prevailing conditions and when implementing it, agents need to be careful on implications of various actions. The investigators for example, ought not to have gone for the sensational and risk losing out on their intentions-assuming the intention to investigate was genuine. Now they have to work double time to reach their goals. An alternate hypothesis would be that the investigators in fact expected the reaction and the consequence would serve to divert attention from other investigations, and that Mr. Odinga walked into a trap. ha, interesting angle, on the second point, I would love to hope that was the game plan. but your first point just reinforces the notion that there are some people who are untouchables, I think if need be, a country like Kenya needs to go through or test those implications to the max otherwise you end up with a class of individuals who sadly believe that they are supreme beings who can not be touched. Look at stuff like kazi kwa vijana, tokyo issue, weston and the kids among others, these are individuals who have gotten to a level where they feel nothing can happen to them, they are corruption pimps. You can never throw Baba off the trail, that is just postponing the issue. He will be back with more noise noise noise plus documents regardless. @tycho Baba will never be Mr. Odinga  Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:tycho wrote:I think the investigators lacked tact. lack of tack or not, the constitutional body was bullied, now whether its the president bullying them or risasi, it remains that we have sacred white milk and cotton in kenya. Now the real baba wa nchi seems to have passed some qualities to his children and also to his short term adopted children. it seems the institutions only work when they are not targeting one of us, otherwise we deem them useless the moment they have their spotlight on mtu wetu This is one way of looking at it that would probably worsen things. What I know is that even the constitution is subject to prevailing conditions and when implementing it, agents need to be careful on implications of various actions. The investigators for example, ought not to have gone for the sensational and risk losing out on their intentions-assuming the intention to investigate was genuine. Now they have to work double time to reach their goals. An alternate hypothesis would be that the investigators in fact expected the reaction and the consequence would serve to divert attention from other investigations, and that Mr. Odinga walked into a trap. ha, interesting angle, on the second point, I would love to hope that was the game plan. but your first point just reinforces the notion that there are some people who are untouchables, I think if need be, a country like Kenya needs to go through or test those implications to the max otherwise you end up with a class of individuals who sadly believe that they are supreme beings who can not be touched. Look at stuff like kazi kwa vijana, tokyo issue, weston and the kids among others, these are individuals who have gotten to a level where they feel nothing can happen to them, they are corruption pimps. Some say politics is a dirty game, and it's because essentially, politics is a war, the body politic the theater, and the laws a statement of rules of engagement. That makes things pretty complicated and it's not a matter of having sacred cows. In war sometimes you let the enemy go, negotiate for some moratorium and the like. But that doesn't mean the belligerents are necessarily fearing each other. You say you wish that the possibility of a trap was true; but how does that differ from your protestations about sacred cows? To me, I see you are describing a wish in your mind that corruption meets no decisive action and are merely looking for someone to help you justify your position. And in this case you have Mr. Odinga.
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