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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
maka
#2961 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:00:59 AM
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maka wrote:


The cost cutting measures are ranked in terms of impact...high,medium and low...then there is a monitoring tool that will be checked every Mon if a Manager fails to achieve his or her cost cutting goal anaenda home...we obviously did not need McKinsey to make KQ get serious but with all the internal politics in that company it's good that it's handled by an independent firm...When the lead guy from the firm met staff he gave them a list of companies that they have turned around and also a list of one's that they have failed to help out...his take is that KQ is the most challenging Co he has ever been given to help turnaround....finally from supplies department alone the measures will save KQ around 50m USD now factor in the other departments and see if well implemented where the airline would be in a few years....
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obiero
#2962 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:03:22 AM
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maka wrote:
maka wrote:


The cost cutting measures are ranked in terms of impact...high,medium and low...then there is a monitoring tool that will be checked every Mon if a Manager fails to achieve his or her cost cutting goal anaenda home...we obviously did not need McKinsey to make KQ get serious but with all the internal politics in that company it's good that it's handled by an independent firm...When the lead guy from the firm met staff he gave them a list of companies that they have turned around and also a list of one's that they have failed to help out...his take is that KQ is the most challenging Co he has ever been given to help turnaround....finally from supplies department alone the measures will save KQ around 50m USD now factor in the other departments and see if well implemented where the airline would be in a few years....

KQ should not be loss making, thats what I have always stated here.. Hii excuses ya terrorism, ebola, competition.. Those are smoke screens

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#2963 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:56:30 AM
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@maka @obiero - Sigh, if only KQ's management acted like owners back in the day. Anyway, guys... let me check on KK where the Biwott family has their representatives on the board. I would prefer the CEO and CFO had shares in KK but they do not except through an ESOP. I prefer direct ownership.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#2964 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:23:55 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@maka @obiero - Sigh, if only KQ's management acted like owners back in the day. Anyway, guys... let me check on KK where the Biwott family has their representatives on the board. I would prefer the CEO and CFO had shares in KK but they do not except through an ESOP. I prefer direct ownership.

That thing of ownership stake is vital, but overrated.. Now if you own even 80% of Express, Olympia, TCL, CABL.. What benefit do you avail to other shareholders of such weak firms. If Bob didnt own a single share in SCOM, would he be villified?? Safaricom and KCB by and large are self propelled, anyone including @vvs can CEO those firms without dip in profit. Structures!!!

KQ ABP 4.26
Spikes
#2965 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:30:23 AM
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@Obiero I agree with you if best structures are in function and observed ardently growth of a firm is automatic.
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maka
#2966 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:33:51 AM
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Spikes wrote:
@Obiero I agree with you if best structures are in function and observed ardently growth of a firm is automatic.


Thats what is happening now...things are not as normal...the 18 month period might just work.
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obiero
#2967 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:48:38 AM
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maka wrote:
Spikes wrote:
@Obiero I agree with you if best structures are in function and observed ardently growth of a firm is automatic.


Thats what is happening now...things are not as normal...the 18 month period might just work.

seconded.. was at the AGM personally and I listened keenly, have also seen mckinsey at work in kcb, equity, coop.. they are thorough with a global CV to protect. now, also corruption is being fought so the agents who used to infiltrate the system with 'ghost travellers' shall be fought.. procurement shall be scrutinized.. kuiba itakuwa ngumu sana based on the fact that Uhuru isnt known to be corrupt and knowing that he hand picked ngunze family members to run some of his most priced entities i.e CBA Jeremy Ngunze, KQ Mbuvi Ngunze. All shall end well

KQ ABP 4.26
Othelo
#2968 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:53:47 AM
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I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?
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obiero
#2969 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:00:26 AM
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Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

KQ ABP 4.26
maka
#2970 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:12:07 AM
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obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity


Some more....

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muandiwambeu
#2971 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:51:32 AM
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obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#2972 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:20:20 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#2973 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:45:42 PM
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obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??

Sale of assets can generate cash that can be used to reduce liabilities. Unless the assets are worth more than the Book Value [not necessarily the case as seen with the 777s] the hole [aka Negative Equity] remains unfilled.

I'll use KK as an example. It lost 6bn in 2012 which almost wiped out the equity as stated BUT the (real estate) assets were at HISTORICAL value & the sale of some of these helped shore up the 'Equity' [for accounting purposes].

If I had my way, I would sell off many of the KK stations [or do Sale-Leasebacks] to generate cash to pay down debt to zero.

Compare this to KQ. The Embakasi land will be sold but I think it has been revalued to the current realizable value. The planes are probably worth less than their book values. The 777s were written down further in 2015-16 when KQ realized they could get the Book Value for them.

@Obiero - I am past making fun of your choices. It was just in jest. I have been burnt by crooks like Matu, Naikuni and Mbugua. The decision to exit KQ at a loss was hard but necessary. Once I made the decision, I just did it. I called my broker and said... start selling.

TRUST - If you do not TRUST the management and board then forget it. I do not trust KQ's management.

Ownership - Not all firms with owner-managers will do well but it has been shown in Kenya that most (not all) of those controlled (or as directors) by owner-managers do well. Even Collymore has a significant number of shares in Safaricom. They are a large enough part of his portfolio to matter.

Some criticize James Mworia but he has a significant stake in Centum. And we know about James Mwangi.

Some are conmen eg Merali but he has always been a conman. Michael Matu is one too but I found out too late. Other conmen include Hector Diniz & the HAFR guys.

Back to KQ. The current set of managers can do little to save the firm in its current state. That's the truth.
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obiero
#2974 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2015 1:52:01 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Othelo wrote:
I hope there are other tangible strategic issues and business processes this McKinsey guys have pointed out sio activities tupu!!!

@Maka is there will by staff to partcipate in this 'change'?

@Othelo.. Several strategies have been floated including most urgently conversion of the short tenor loans to longer periods. Also sale of obsolete and underutilised assets. These are major cash points expected to address @vvs negative equity

Sale of assets does not address negative equity and closest it means that the company is being prepared for liquidation and therefore creditors should press for liquidation to protect pecking order and charged assets from being canibalised by the management. Drool on to your marks...... Run. d'oh!

Shindwe.. The proceeds from sale are expected to be used in liability reduction. How will that not address the asset liability imbalance??

Sale of assets can generate cash that can be used to reduce liabilities. Unless the assets are worth more than the Book Value [not necessarily the case as seen with the 777s] the hole [aka Negative Equity] remains unfilled.

I'll use KK as an example. It lost 6bn in 2012 which almost wiped out the equity as stated BUT the (real estate) assets were at HISTORICAL value & the sale of some of these helped shore up the 'Equity' [for accounting purposes].

If I had my way, I would sell off many of the KK stations [or do Sale-Leasebacks] to generate cash to pay down debt to zero.

Compare this to KQ. The Embakasi land will be sold but I think it has been revalued to the current realizable value. The planes are probably worth less than their book values. The 777s were written down further in 2015-16 when KQ realized they could get the Book Value for them.

@Obiero - I am past making fun of your choices. It was just in jest. I have been burnt by crooks like Matu, Naikuni and Mbugua. The decision to exit KQ at a loss was hard but necessary. Once I made the decision, I just did it. I called my broker and said... start selling.

TRUST - If you do not TRUST the management and board then forget it. I do not trust KQ's management.

Ownership - Not all firms with owner-managers will do well but it has been shown in Kenya that most (not all) of those controlled (or as directors) by owner-managers do well. Even Collymore has a significant number of shares in Safaricom. They are a large enough part of his portfolio to matter.

Some criticize James Mworia but he has a significant stake in Centum. And we know about James Mwangi.

Some are conmen eg Merali but he has always been a conman. Michael Matu is one too but I found out too late. Other conmen include Hector Diniz & the HAFR guys.

Back to KQ. The current set of managers can do little to save the firm in its current state. That's the truth.

TRUST - i happen to fully believe in the leadership at KQ and their ability to save the firm. Cash constraints being faced at the moment due to high short term obligations shall be addressed, once that happens we shall be all clear. What we are talking about is futuristic and may not make sense to some

KQ ABP 4.26
obiero
#2975 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:29:04 AM
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Spikes
#2976 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:52:39 AM
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The deal of Amadeus ticketing is immaterial for now. KQ has long way to go more than 6year ticketing deal. You will be shocked to hear top management especially your best friend Alex received kickbacks before signing the deal! Shafting continues.
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obiero
#2977 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:00:45 AM
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Spikes wrote:
The deal of Amadeus ticketing is immaterial for now. KQ has long way to go more than 6year ticketing deal.

That is true.. So, tupigie business daily wafute hio taarifa??

KQ ABP 4.26
Spikes
#2978 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:07:06 AM
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Business Daily is very authoritative and let them keep updating us. We can't afford to be in the dark; information is power.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Cde Monomotapa
#2979 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:04:31 AM
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I would like to thank Presidents Sirleaf & Kiir for standing with KQ. Deeply honored and gives hope.

It must be made a right to 'fly to safety' within Africa and a choice West or East.

Our partnerships with international partners should complement Africa's aspirations of peace and prosperity.

Fellow Wazuans. I have company to list. Adios. Inshallah!
murchr
#2980 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2015 6:38:36 PM
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I thought the first initiative would have been to fire/train the current customer care reps because they are a big turn-off
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