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newfarer wrote:newfarer wrote:Grave(literally) issues raised here.It is the duty of every one of us to make sure that we will not Vote for a candidate just because he is from our tribes but vote for him on the basis of how he intents to handle these issues.
May 2011 Dec 2015 same song, Kenyans never learn, shauri yetu. maybe the medics can give a better insight on the process of handling such cases. But the guy talking back seems like he is overworked, he is handling a patient and at the same time is needed to receive another one. But you have to admit there have been major improvements especially at that hospital since 2011.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:newfarer wrote:newfarer wrote:Grave(literally) issues raised here.It is the duty of every one of us to make sure that we will not Vote for a candidate just because he is from our tribes but vote for him on the basis of how he intents to handle these issues.
May 2011 Dec 2015 same song, Kenyans never learn, shauri yetu. maybe the medics can give a better insight on the process of handling such cases. But the guy talking back seems like he is overworked, he is handling a patient and at the same time is needed to receive another one. But you have to admit there have been major improvements especially at that hospital since 2011. Is it? www.nation.co.ke/news/Am...38/-/t0wnk8/-/index.htmlpunda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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newfarer wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:newfarer wrote:newfarer wrote:Grave(literally) issues raised here.It is the duty of every one of us to make sure that we will not Vote for a candidate just because he is from our tribes but vote for him on the basis of how he intents to handle these issues.
May 2011 Dec 2015 same song, Kenyans never learn, shauri yetu. maybe the medics can give a better insight on the process of handling such cases. But the guy talking back seems like he is overworked, he is handling a patient and at the same time is needed to receive another one. But you have to admit there have been major improvements especially at that hospital since 2011. Is it? www.nation.co.ke/news/Am...38/-/t0wnk8/-/index.html the clip mentions that as machakos level 5 not knh, but even if you look at the video, as the man walks out 2 medics (guys in white coats) are moving another patient on a stretcher inside, if you have a patient its understandable that you would want attention immediately, but I am sure there are processes. Plus if you compare the state of that hospital in 2011 and now there is a massive improvement. The case of Maganda was a lack of available space at the ICU.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:In this day of devices and gadgets with cameras, what is done in the dark shall be brought to light. With all due respect the guy just wants to score a cheap point against the medics. I don't think its fair to label the said medics as reluctant to help.
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Impunity wrote:FRM2011 wrote:I heard a very scary incident the other day. A guy gets into an accident and the first group at the scene steals everything including his phone and medical insurance.
So good Samaritans take him to KNH. And your chances of survival as an accident victim at knh are way too low. So a guy with an outpatient limit of 1m and inpatient of 5m died just like that for lack of emergency treatment.
May be it's time insurance companies introduced a wrist band. They should have taken him to Nairobi or Aga Khan... a mere check of his name in the system would have shown he is covered! Kwanza most private hospitals fully cover accidents! @impunity, the patient was unconscious and his wallet is gone. The good Samaritans were strangers and couldn't know his name. Guess the key lesson is that we should all be concerned about the state of things at KNH.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation yeah they did...unless I missed something - they sent out a guy to go bring the person in! ama hukuona? there were some other people to bring in others. Ama he was expecting the hospital to come to a stand still since he brought a patient he deemed to be an emergency patient? ama he was expecting something close to this? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation yeah they did...unless I missed something - they sent out a guy to go bring the person in! ama hukuona? there were some other people to bring in others. Ama he was expecting the hospital to come to a stand still since he brought a patient he deemed to be an emergency patient? ama he was expecting something close to this? I didn't watch the clip,kwa hivyo sikuona,If the medical team acted appropriately,why are people discussing the "good samaritan" and the victim? Can we move? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are making noise over somebody's ego! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are noise over somebody's ego! well the poster did not find it appropriate to tell us what kind of treatment the patient received, he thought it best to show us a clip where he is just whining at the hospital workers, while telling all he is a medic. Then goes on to order the medic to 'fanya haraka' when he is asked to get some gloves and help out.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are noise over somebody's ego! Sijui kama ushawahi angalia around ukiTembea? ushawahi ona hii nchi unatembea? I think they acted appropriately and I actually applaud the lady for not budging and cowing to bullying. Kila mtu na kazi yake.... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are noise over somebody's ego! Sijui kama ushawahi angalia around ukiTembea? ushawahi ona hii nchi unatembea? I think they acted appropriately and I actually applaud the lady for not budging and cowing to bullying. Kila mtu na kazi yake.... Is it the good samaritan's ego in question or the reluctance of the casualty wing employees... Lets wait for the investigations to be completed. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are noise over somebody's ego! Sijui kama ushawahi angalia around ukiTembea? ushawahi ona hii nchi unatembea? I think they acted appropriately and I actually applaud the lady for not budging and cowing to bullying. Kila mtu na kazi yake.... Is it the good samaritan's ego in question or the reluctance of the casualty wing employees... Lets wait for the investigations to be completed. No it's not. If you put yourself in the staffs's shoes, you would understand. You don't go bullying people and expect preferential treatment. Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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kawambui wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Huyo jamaa awache ujeuri pia yeye!! vaa gloves basi!! watu waache tumadharau tafadhali! Watu waachane na patients wengine wakufuate? Kama alimokota kwa barabara mbona asiende the next step? This is not to absolve the medics but huyu jamaa awache fujo... the whole hospital does not stand still coz yeye ameleta mgonjwa! The question is,Did the hospital works respond appropriately to the situation(accident victim)? The guy's ego is a non-issue in this situation The guys ego is a big issue, claiming you are a medic to get attention is plain stupid, but to some egotism is embedded in them, he is just thirsty for some minutes of fame, who walks in hospital phone in record mode. That's the first thing he thought when he walked in. The medic continually tell him there is someone to help, but he keeps insisting ' this is how you work' Just because the guy who was there to respond first did not fit his deluded description of a medic. may the gods who were watching over the other patients strike him, and the gods of the medics whip him with stethoscopes and may his egoistical gods be rendered useless. If the victim was attended to appropriately,I do not see why people are noise over somebody's ego! Sijui kama ushawahi angalia around ukiTembea? ushawahi ona hii nchi unatembea? I think they acted appropriately and I actually applaud the lady for not budging and cowing to bullying. Kila mtu na kazi yake.... Is it the good samaritan's ego in question or the reluctance of the casualty wing employees... Lets wait for the investigations to be completed. No it's not. If you put yourself in the staffs's shoes, you would understand. You don't go bullying people and expect preferential treatment. Putting myself in the staff's shoes with the training that I have undergone I should know that when someone brings in a patient who is supposedly hurt, I should leave my paper work and attend to the emergency. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:
Putting myself in the staff's shoes with the training that I have undergone I should know that when someone brings in a patient who is supposedly hurt, I should leave my paper work and attend to the emergency.
Hospitals are full of emergencies and not everything stops when one person shows up as an emergency! And it's not that he was neglected - there was someone sent out already... I think he... the "medic" was expecting all hands on deck on this one. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:
Putting myself in the staff's shoes with the training that I have undergone I should know that when someone brings in a patient who is supposedly hurt, I should leave my paper work and attend to the emergency.
Hospitals are full of emergencies and not everything stops when one person shows up as an emergency! And it's not that he was neglected - there was someone sent out already... I think he... the "medic" was expecting all hands on deck on this one. There was no one sent, the same man who was attending to the other patient with a bag is the one who went to the boot. Those rude women sat and continued with the paper work. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:
Putting myself in the staff's shoes with the training that I have undergone I should know that when someone brings in a patient who is supposedly hurt, I should leave my paper work and attend to the emergency.
Hospitals are full of emergencies and not everything stops when one person shows up as an emergency! And it's not that he was neglected - there was someone sent out already... I think he... the "medic" was expecting all hands on deck on this one. There was no one sent, the same man who was attending to the other patient with a bag is the one who went to the boot. Those rude women sat and continued with the paper work. at 1:36 there is a man already at the door of the car
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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After watching the ka clip, i had my own opinion on the people + the good samaritan until i read the first two comments on youtube and now here on wazua. The medic brought in a patient, he could have left him to die on the road but he brought him and maybe saved his life.
The patient might have been another fool trying to cross the road anyhowly and at times you would say why should you care bringing him to the hospital. Then to tha lady , she was just there doing caressing her papers, surely the papers were not that important, its very common with Kenyans and actually since the mobile phones came, tabia mbaya ,you will go to any office and someone (especially ladies) will be busy on the phone while people are waiting to be served. Saw this @KRA and when you get to the counter, you might think you are asking for permission to go to heaven.They do not even want to serve you , when they do they do not even look at you , you say thankyou, nothing and it pisses me off.
Watch those seminars and will see almost 90% of the people are busy browsing
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