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Fed up big Vic refused to shake Minister Wario's hand
Alba
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:37:10 PM
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Victor Wanyama, fed up with the shabby treatment meted out to the national team by the government and by FKF was so pissed off that he refused to shale the sports ministers hand



A few home-based Harambee Stars players, who were busy tucking their hand luggage in overhead lockers, froze as word filtered in that their trusted general, Victor Wanyama, had declined to board the plane. Outside the departure lounge, Cabinet Secretary for Sports Hassan Wario had his hand extended to a motionless Harambee Stars captain, Wanyama.

Wanyama had received a call from his English club asking him about his safety following information in mainstream and social media of an “inferior” aircraft meant to cover 6,870km and back. Southampton also demanded to know whether the players were insured. The English club asked to change Wanyama’s flight to Cape Verde, but Wanyama would not abandon his teammates at the hour of need.

story here
sitaki.kujulikana
#2 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 7:23:48 PM
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How does the national team management work, is it the government that is supposed to manage the team or the national association.

Shouldn't it have been the association officials at the airport making travel arrangements instead of the cs, if it was not the role of the cs to make such arrangements why the hostility towards him.
kaka2za
#3 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:36:24 PM
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I don't get it,I seriously don't get it. Cape Verde is off the coast of Senegal and Kenya Airways has a flight to Dakar via Bamako.
There are regular flights and also a ferry(I think) between Dakar and Praia.
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harrydre
#4 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 4:13:56 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
How does the national team management work, is it the government that is supposed to manage the team or the national association.

Shouldn't it have been the association officials at the airport making travel arrangements instead of the cs, if it was not the role of the cs to make such arrangements why the hostility towards him.



FKF. Those thick heads received the money but ate it!
i.am.back!!!!
Alba
#5 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 6:39:43 AM
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I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go
murchr
#6 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 8:51:48 AM
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In other news, Riadha hse under sieke
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nakujua
#7 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 11:49:57 AM
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Alba wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.
PeterReborn
#8 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 12:11:38 PM
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nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.

This is another Waiguru scenario.Same script.
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nakujua
#9 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 1:24:14 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.

This is another Waiguru scenario.Same script.

It's sad that personal duels are being played out this way, and it has descended to this. But I think we have to remember football does not equal sports, the rugby guys seem to be doing ok, so are the volleyball girls, the athletes also.
I mean if the cs is that bad why are the others doing ok, I really don't think the cs for sports is involved in the individual sports.
dunkang
#10 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 1:28:19 PM
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On this one, its Samson Nyamweya first to go. Not home, but JAIL!

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masukuma
#11 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 1:51:29 PM
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kinda reminds me of that irish man (Ronan O'Gara) who refused to great the queen

O'Gara failed to take his hands out of his pockets when greeting the sovereign Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Queen aliwachwa na ka-Mkono kake na gloves zake kwa hewa Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
alama za mshangao all over!!
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nakujua
#12 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 2:30:38 PM
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masukuma wrote:
kinda reminds me of that irish man (Ronan O'Gara) who refused to great the queen

O'Gara failed to take his hands out of his pockets when greeting the sovereign Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Queen aliwachwa na ka-Mkono kake na gloves zake kwa hewa Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
alama za mshangao all over!!

did he really refuse to salimia the queen ama it was just that he had his hands in the pocket when her majesty was approaching. smile
masukuma
#13 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 2:43:51 PM
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nakujua wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kinda reminds me of that irish man (Ronan O'Gara) who refused to great the queen

O'Gara failed to take his hands out of his pockets when greeting the sovereign Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Queen aliwachwa na ka-Mkono kake na gloves zake kwa hewa Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
alama za mshangao all over!!

did he really refuse to salimia the queen ama it was just that he had his hands in the pocket when her majesty was approaching. smile

ah... you are right...
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Ronan O’Gara became an unwitting icon for nationalist pub-talkers everywhere when he committed the revolutionary act of leaving his hands in his pockets when standing in the same vicinity as the Queen back in 2009.

Ireland had just won the Grand Slam and the Queen was meeting some of her triumphant fellow citizens as well as a few victorious folk from the neighbouring state.

As she approached the Irish out-half, a picture was taken which captured O’Gara in full ‘sullen ten year old waiting for the principal to tell him off’ pose.

O’Driscoll’s posture also fueled the speculation that O’Gara had insulted the Queen by cupping his hands to his mouth in the manner which some said resembled social embarrassment.

The Queen herself got over the whole insult very quickly but a number were determined to manufacture a diplomatic incident out of the whole affair.

Kevin Myers called him a ‘lout’ and wrote that his behaviour represented ‘a breach of international protocol’. O’Gara chose not to write a letter to the editor on that occasion.

There was even talk of it being revenge for Martin Johnson ensuring that Mary McAleese’s boots got muddy at Lansdowne Road in 2003. Was it true? Were O’Gara and Johnson taking potshots at one another via the medium of mild insults at their respective female heads of state?

Perhaps it was a dare, a la Dick Byrne’s famous forfeit? Had there been a video camera there, maybe we’d have heard footage of O’Gara shouting ‘bollocks’ very loudly in the general direction of the Queen.

Word of mouth and the passage of time have, as so often happens, rendered the story even more sensational.

Often times, one will hear folk in pubs breathlessly informing the unaware or the foreign how O’Gara went as far as to refuse the Queen’s hand when it was offered.

Even in the direct aftermath, the story that O’Gara refused to shake the Queen’s hand was gleefully peddled, so much so that the IRFU had to come out and issue a statement rubbishing the rumours.


The whole reception was both cordial and informal,” he said.

“In this environment, Ronan was obviously very relaxed just prior to shaking the hand and speaking with HRH, which the next sequence of the photography would show.

And here dear friends is the proof for those still in thrall to the idea that O’Gara told the Queen to get lost...

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly watu waliongeza chumvi
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kaka2za
#14 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 4:00:34 PM
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nakujua wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.

This is another Waiguru scenario.Same script.

It's sad that personal duels are being played out this way, and it has descended to this. But I think we have to remember football does not equal sports, the rugby guys seem to be doing ok, so are the volleyball girls, the athletes also.
I mean if the cs is that bad why are the others doing ok, I really don't think the cs for sports is involved in the individual sports.



Yes,some sports are doing well in spite of Wario's ineptitude. Hata watoto wa chokora somehow grow up despite being brought up in the garbage dumps.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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nakujua
#15 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 4:18:36 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
nakujua wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again. Kenyan officials are all useless and only good at showing up at the airport to take credit for the good performance of the track athletes.

Kenya's preparations for the Cape Verde match were poor and the ministry of sports is largely to blame.

They were aware of the match at least one month in advance yet they released money to FKF barely 24 hours before Harambee stars were to leave.

And knowing how incompetent Nyamweya is, they should not even have given him the money. The ministry should have taken over the Harambee stars program. And don't give me that jazz about FIFA interference because even Nyamweya said last month that he wants the ministry to take over running Harambee stars.

Wario is incompetent beyond belief. Even Cardovilis thinks that Wario should follow Waiguru, pack up and go

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.

This is another Waiguru scenario.Same script.

It's sad that personal duels are being played out this way, and it has descended to this. But I think we have to remember football does not equal sports, the rugby guys seem to be doing ok, so are the volleyball girls, the athletes also.
I mean if the cs is that bad why are the others doing ok, I really don't think the cs for sports is involved in the individual sports.



Yes,some sports are doing well in spite of Wario's ineptitude. Hata watoto wa chokora somehow grow up despite being brought up in the garbage dumps.

smile I agree with you 100%, had not seen it from the street children angle - #Arrestwario for his ineptitude
Alba
#16 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 6:07:41 PM
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nakujua wrote:

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.


I have zero interest in the political aspect of this. But Wario is a bum. What kind of sports minister allows a national team to undergo such poor preparations then sits back and watches them be stranded at Wilson airport for 10 hours?

BY the way. I do not like Nyamweya. But in his defence, he told the sports minister as far back October 12 that the FKF had no money and that the government should take over preparations of Harambee stars.

http://366football.com/n...f-from-stars-allowances/
Alba
#17 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 6:14:06 PM
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nakujua wrote:


It's sad that personal duels are being played out this way, and it has descended to this. But I think we have to remember football does not equal sports, the rugby guys seem to be doing ok, so are the volleyball girls, the athletes also.
I mean if the cs is that bad why are the others doing ok, I really don't think the cs for sports is involved in the individual sports.


The success of rugby and volleyball has nothing to do with Wario. In fact Wario probably does not even know how many players play on a seven a side rugby team.

Wario appears to have very little interest in sports. He has no qualifications that make him suitable to be a sports minister. He has accomplished nothing as sports minister. He has not initiated hardly any initiatives to make Kenya better at sports. All he does is pose for pictures, with succesful athletes.

Can anyone point out any accomplishment by Wario ?

It was pointed out recently that Wario has never even attended a Kenya premier league match. Thats why he makes so many ignorant statements.

By the way, the author of the Daily Nation article calling for Wario's ouster is Charles Cardovillis, he and his brother used to play rugby. They are not CORD operatives. They are sports supporters like myself. He correctly points out that the sports ministry should be given to someone who is passionate about sports.
nakujua
#18 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 7:04:55 PM
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Alba wrote:
nakujua wrote:


It's sad that personal duels are being played out this way, and it has descended to this. But I think we have to remember football does not equal sports, the rugby guys seem to be doing ok, so are the volleyball girls, the athletes also.
I mean if the cs is that bad why are the others doing ok, I really don't think the cs for sports is involved in the individual sports.


The success of rugby and volleyball has nothing to do with Wario. In fact Wario probably does not even know how many players play on a seven a side rugby team.

Wario appears to have very little interest in sports. He has no qualifications that make him suitable to be a sports minister. He has accomplished nothing as sports minister. He has not initiated hardly any initiatives to make Kenya better at sports. All he does is pose for pictures, with succesful athletes.

Can anyone point out any accomplishment by Wario ?

It was pointed out recently that Wario has never even attended a Kenya premier league match. Thats why he makes so many ignorant statements.

By the way, the author of the Daily Nation article calling for Wario's ouster is Charles Cardovillis, he and his brother used to play rugby. They are not CORD operatives. They are sports supporters like myself. He correctly points out that the sports ministry should be given to someone who is passionate about sports.

Just playing the devils advocate, while that might be true, but don't you think its a bit selfish to ask of him to understand all sports, I mean football is not more special than say the art and culture part of the ministry, and asking him to attend all activities under the ministry is a bit too much - him not understanding, or lack of interest in football should not be used to ouster him, or should it.
nakujua
#19 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 7:14:33 PM
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Alba wrote:
nakujua wrote:

Habari @Alba, smile now politics aside, can you blame the sports ministry or cs for this, what is the role of the federation - I thought they keep gate collections for the national team games, and also receive cash from fifa.

I know the Wario thing has already been taken over by cord, so it will just be an all out attack where lies and facts will be blurred - but just looking at the current situation objectively should we blame him.


I have zero interest in the political aspect of this. But Wario is a bum. What kind of sports minister allows a national team to undergo such poor preparations then sits back and watches them be stranded at Wilson airport for 10 hours?

BY the way. I do not like Nyamweya. But in his defence, he told the sports minister as far back October 12 that the FKF had no money and that the government should take over preparations of Harambee stars.

http://366football.com/n...-from-stars-allowances/

I have no words for that, but I also understand that the government had given the federation the cash for the travel arrangement prior - thus the involvement of the cid (questioning the federation chirman) to investigate what happened to the cash.

But if a federation can not perform one of its core mandate, that is matters involving the national team. of what use is it then - I understand government involvement leads to a ban, I also remember the said cs involved in efforts of trying to bring together fkf and the league teams when a split was imminent, he even went to the extent of threatening disbanding the fkf, I would say that is someone who is trying to keep football in kenya at a sane level.

Thats why I more inclined to think this thing is more to do with politics than the ministry itself.
Alba
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:58:39 AM
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nakujua wrote:

Just playing the devils advocate, while that might be true, but don't you think its a bit selfish to ask of him to understand all sports, I mean football is not more special than say the art and culture part of the ministry, and asking him to attend all activities under the ministry is a bit too much - him not understanding, or lack of interest in football should not be used to ouster him, or should it.


First off football is far more important than art or culture. It employs hundreds upon hundreds of footballers, coaches, managers, journalists etc whose livelihood is dependent on football. It has the potential to employ even more.

Football matters a lot more to Kenyans than does the arts. A sports minister and indeed a government ought to have enough common sense to figure out what is more important to the public. Wario's salary ofKsh 1.2 million month is paid for by tax payers. If the tax payers are more interested in football than in the arts then the sports minister shouldpay more attention to football.

By the way I don't expect him to know everything.I expect him to have at least a basic understanding and some interest. Wario literally knows nothing about sports and has no interest. Read the article by Cardovilis.
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