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Coffee mafia rips off Kenya farmers
matatuman
#21 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 1:48:44 PM
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majimaji wrote:
matatuman wrote:
limanika wrote:
Way forward out of coffee madness is county govts to take charge. Mill, process, package and export finished product. The county which pioneers this will become very rich. But if all the mca do is foreign trips and begging national govtfor iincreased funding, thye won't go anywhere


Pipe dream.


The Govt is part of the problem


And the counties will be any different because?
Lolest!
#22 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 5:22:17 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
My only surprise is this,central kenya is the main coffee basket,this area has produced presidents since independence and none of them has seen this,i can only blame the farmers for keeping quiet and maintaining blind tribal loyalty to leaders whose interests are very different from their own people,given that farmers form a solid voting block if they one time threatened to vote outside their normal block because of this exploitation somebody could have heard them long time ago.

Jaindi Kisero thinks coffee went worse coz the big boys dumped it for other sectors
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
limanika
#23 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 7:23:04 PM
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matatuman wrote:
majimaji wrote:
matatuman wrote:
limanika wrote:
Way forward out of coffee madness is county govts to take charge. Mill, process, package and export finished product. The county which pioneers this will become very rich. But if all the mca do is foreign trips and begging national govtfor iincreased funding, thye won't go anywhere


Pipe dream.


The Govt is part of the problem


And the counties will be any different because?


At least we hope some county will get it right at some point..i hear meru not doing very badly...then others will apply pressure on their governors...
enyands
#24 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 8:40:11 PM
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limanika wrote:
matatuman wrote:
majimaji wrote:
matatuman wrote:
limanika wrote:
Way forward out of coffee madness is county govts to take charge. Mill, process, package and export finished product. The county which pioneers this will become very rich. But if all the mca do is foreign trips and begging national govtfor iincreased funding, thye won't go anywhere


Pipe dream.


The Govt is part of the problem


And the counties will be any different because?


At least we hope some county will get it right at some point..i hear meru not doing very badly...then others will apply pressure on their governors...


It's true it will be easy to micro manage from the county level because I saw some people openly demonstrating against govornor ans mca than a national body managing all coffee growers all over the country
kollabo
#25 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 12:56:46 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
My only surprise is this,central kenya is the main coffee basket,this area has produced presidents since independence and none of them has seen this,i can only blame the farmers for keeping quiet and maintaining blind tribal loyalty to leaders whose interests are very different from their own people,given that farmers form a solid voting block if they one time threatened to vote outside their normal block because of this exploitation somebody could have heard them long time ago.

Jaindi Kisero thinks coffee went worse coz the big boys dumped it for other sectors


So the narrative that Moi destroyed the sector so as to finish the kyuks was all a big fat political lie.
Lolest!
#26 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:44:22 AM
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kollabo wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
My only surprise is this,central kenya is the main coffee basket,this area has produced presidents since independence and none of them has seen this,i can only blame the farmers for keeping quiet and maintaining blind tribal loyalty to leaders whose interests are very different from their own people,given that farmers form a solid voting block if they one time threatened to vote outside their normal block because of this exploitation somebody could have heard them long time ago.

Jaindi Kisero thinks coffee went worse coz the big boys dumped it for other sectors


So the narrative that Moi destroyed the sector so as to finish the kyuks was all a big fat political lie.

Yes. infact I think I once posted something to that effect.

Moi was blamed even when global prices tumbled
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
kawambui
#27 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 10:02:39 AM
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enyands wrote:
limanika wrote:
matatuman wrote:
majimaji wrote:
matatuman wrote:
limanika wrote:
Way forward out of coffee madness is county govts to take charge. Mill, process, package and export finished product. The county which pioneers this will become very rich. But if all the mca do is foreign trips and begging national govtfor iincreased funding, thye won't go anywhere


Pipe dream.


The Govt is part of the problem


And the counties will be any different because?


At least we hope some county will get it right at some point..i hear meru not doing very badly...then others will apply pressure on their governors...


It's true it will be easy to micro manage from the county level because I saw some people openly demonstrating against govornor ans mca than a national body managing all coffee growers all over the country


Gachagua tried it in Nyeri last year and he had serious problems. Farmers were paid late, as late as August, and the pay was no better than those who sold to independent millers.
but i think he will get it right, given some time.
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
kawambui
#28 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 10:11:46 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
kollabo wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
My only surprise is this,central kenya is the main coffee basket,this area has produced presidents since independence and none of them has seen this,i can only blame the farmers for keeping quiet and maintaining blind tribal loyalty to leaders whose interests are very different from their own people,given that farmers form a solid voting block if they one time threatened to vote outside their normal block because of this exploitation somebody could have heard them long time ago.

Jaindi Kisero thinks coffee went worse coz the big boys dumped it for other sectors


So the narrative that Moi destroyed the sector so as to finish the kyuks was all a big fat political lie.

Yes. infact I think I once posted something to that effect.

Moi was blamed even when global prices tumbled


This may be an opinion just as Kisero's article is full of opinion. All I know is that in late 1990s farmers were paid between nothing and 5 shillings per kilo of the berries. In 2004 coffee price was between 50 and 150/-. The lowest it has gone since then is about 35/-. To break even, berry price should not be lower than 60/- per kilo.
Proverbs 4:23
[23]Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
murchr
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 3:44:55 AM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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enyands
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:27:45 AM
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murchr wrote:


Hope there is someone sitting in office somewhere who can see there is a problem here and rectify
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