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Waitiki land saga..
Kusadikika
#41 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:37:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
@Kusadikika You need to stop being emotive and look at the land matter in a more clear way. There is a class of people who call themselves "poor" "squatters" who are land grabbers by profession and they are out to blackmail people using politics. I will give you an example. I grew up in SouthB. Railway quarters to be exact. I saw part of Golden gate being constructed and Riverbank phase I and II.

The slum called Mukuru was non-existent, the river bank land there was bare just grass, you could see industrial area from RTI. When Riverbank Phase II was under construction, we noticed some mabati structures that we all assumed belonged to the workers building the houses, so it was ignored. With time the structures grew...all were on the other side of the river (bordering Industrial area), then came Hazina and the structures just blew out.

Now, if you've entered the houses at River bank, the front gate and living room faces Mukuru, the squatters have encroached and have built their Kiosks to the gates of the residents, forcing them to remodel their houses to accommodate this. The city council demolished the kiosks but Sonko gave them money to rebuild, which they did. Where were these squatters from? Tell me why the govt shouldn't compensate the Riverbank Home owners?



Am glad you raise this issue. You acknowledge there is a problem but in your case the only aggrieved party are the residents of Riverbank. All Mukuru slum dwellers are land grabbers and we should bring a bulldozer and clear them out. Now this becomes more complicated because since the original slum dwellers settled there they have had children who know no other home other than Mukuru, where should these go? Are they also professional land grabbers? The government should be as concerned about the plight of Mukuru's slum dwellers as much as Riverbank home owners.

Reforms in settlement of slum dwellers and all landless people are not just a problem for the slum dwellers but also for all who have land. Watu wa Riverbank should be the biggest supporters of any projects that seek a long term solution for Mukuru people.
murchr
#42 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:18:59 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
murchr wrote:
@Kusadikika You need to stop being emotive and look at the land matter in a more clear way. There is a class of people who call themselves "poor" "squatters" who are land grabbers by profession and they are out to blackmail people using politics. I will give you an example. I grew up in SouthB. Railway quarters to be exact. I saw part of Golden gate being constructed and Riverbank phase I and II.

The slum called Mukuru was non-existent, the river bank land there was bare just grass, you could see industrial area from RTI. When Riverbank Phase II was under construction, we noticed some mabati structures that we all assumed belonged to the workers building the houses, so it was ignored. With time the structures grew...all were on the other side of the river (bordering Industrial area), then came Hazina and the structures just blew out.

Now, if you've entered the houses at River bank, the front gate and living room faces Mukuru, the squatters have encroached and have built their Kiosks to the gates of the residents, forcing them to remodel their houses to accommodate this. The city council demolished the kiosks but Sonko gave them money to rebuild, which they did. Where were these squatters from? Tell me why the govt shouldn't compensate the Riverbank Home owners?



Am glad you raise this issue. You acknowledge there is a problem but in your case the only aggrieved party are the residents of Riverbank. All Mukuru slum dwellers are land grabbers and we should bring a bulldozer and clear them out. Now this becomes more complicated because since the original slum dwellers settled there they have had children who know no other home other than Mukuru, where should these go? Are they also professional land grabbers? The government should be as concerned about the plight of Mukuru's slum dwellers as much as Riverbank home owners.

Reforms in settlement of slum dwellers and all landless people are not just a problem for the slum dwellers but also for all who have land. Watu wa Riverbank should be the biggest supporters of any projects that seek a long term solution for Mukuru people.


If i may ask?
1. Where did the "original land grabbers"come from before settling in Mukuru in the 90s?

2. Why didnt the Govt sort out the issue before it mushroomed to the situation that it is today?

3. Do you still live in your fathers house with your family since you were born there?

4. The "owners" of the plots/houses in Mukuru are not peasants but some slumdog millionaires, why can't the govt tax them?

Its the responsibility of the GOK to protect the property of the taxpayer, if it doesn't then it should compensate the taxpayer for the loss incurred. I will be very happy when we learn to use the courts for arbitration.
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washiku
#43 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:35:44 AM
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harrydre
#44 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:34:05 AM
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Is this the land mama Ngilu (Caesar) ate 10%?
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hardwood
#45 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:24:41 PM
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washiku wrote:
Deal at last, who have seen the finer details?

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He was demanding 10B for the land (10m per acre for the 1000 acres) and from the look on his face he seems happy with the deal.
wazuaguest
#46 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:51:31 PM
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murchr
#47 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:07:39 PM
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wazuaguest wrote:
Waitiki checked into statehouse casually with a kofia and a short sleeved shirt.Pesa ni mzuri.


That is Waitiki

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mwenza
#48 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 11:10:48 AM
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hardwood wrote:
washiku wrote:
Deal at last, who have seen the finer details?

[imghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12250155_1172677039427514_4471577542385783624_n.jpg?oh=54b69039b2cd26700a0d354816baf32b&oe=56B4AF4F&__gda__=1458644773_5a5f3cc9c35ce678f51fdb237667d151[/img]



He was demanding 10B for the land (10m per acre for the 1000 acres) and from the look on his face he seems happy with the deal.


If this is how he looks like when he is happy, I wouldn't wish to meet him when he is angry.
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washiku
#49 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 11:50:45 AM
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mwenza wrote:
hardwood wrote:
washiku wrote:
Deal at last, who have seen the finer details?

[imghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12250155_1172677039427514_4471577542385783624_n.jpg?oh=54b69039b2cd26700a0d354816baf32b&oe=56B4AF4F&__gda__=1458644773_5a5f3cc9c35ce678f51fdb237667d151[/img]



He was demanding 10B for the land (10m per acre for the 1000 acres) and from the look on his face he seems happy with the deal.


If this is how he looks like when he is happy, I wouldn't wish to meet him when he is angry.



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harrydre
#50 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 1:54:41 PM
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wazuaguest wrote:
Waitiki checked into statehouse casually with a kofia and a short sleeved shirt.Pesa ni mzuri.


Huyo anakaa broker.
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