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limanika wrote:newfarer wrote:This will give more opportunities for building tenderprenuers We're in a dispensation where, if the corrupt are accused in court, they will never get jailed.Think Goldenberg, Angloleasing. Let's ask why, and then think outside the box for solutions...The jail can be built in one remote location like Lodwar. There must exist a very simple way to slay this corruption monster - just like cooking a small fish Starting with this guy! An intern at the Kenya Revenue Authority has shocked many of his peers. Three months since he joined KRA, the intern has been swimming in cash. Apart from buying houses, the intern has been living lavishly and changes cars like clothes! Question is, who is the intern’s godfather and where is the cash coming from? - See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...303#sthash.OrYRIPIE.dpufIf Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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The other thing with corruption is that you seal one loophole, they invent 5 others. So you would have to think far ahead to beat them at their game. This issue of investigations after the events Willnot take us aanywhere
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limanika wrote:The other thing with corruption is that you seal one loophole, they invent 5 others. So you would have to think far ahead to beat them at their game. This issue of investigations after the events Willnot take us aanywhere The Fraud triangle is a framework designed to explain the reasoning behind a worker's decision to commit workplace fraud. The three stages, categorised by the effect on the individual, can be summarised as pressure, opportunity and rationalisation. We will not stop fraud until people are jailed for fraudulent cases so that people can stop rationalizing that after all others stole and they got away with it. Opportunities to steal also need to be sealed.
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limanika wrote:Of the 350billion kenya loses annually to corruption, over 75% is at the low levels. If only govt focussed on the small fish (since they won’t touch the big ones) we’ll still go far.
But the mere thought by a suspect that they will be put to jail together with other criminal convicts is enough to make them spend a fortune to get the best lawyers (who end up intimidating the jury and junior lawyers for the state). If all this fails, the suspects end up bribing the jury,. And the jury is more likely to get sympathetic when they think of the ragtag conditions in jail…
So methinks that….since these corruption cases will continue at massive scale, we should build special prisons for those small and medium fish convicted of corruption crimes. The prisons for this class should be a bit humane, but all the same they should be put in solitary confinement…This way, plus other measures, we might win the war…
why special prisons for them? problem is that most kenyans (including you unfortunately) think that corruption is a lesser crime. such a lesser crime that those guilty of it should be treated differently. start by changing your mindset on corruption - it kills by the way.
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Jitahidi wrote:limanika wrote:The other thing with corruption is that you seal one loophole, they invent 5 others. So you would have to think far ahead to beat them at their game. This issue of investigations after the events Willnot take us aanywhere The Fraud triangle is a framework designed to explain the reasoning behind a worker's decision to commit workplace fraud. The three stages, categorised by the effect on the individual, can be summarised as pressure, opportunity and rationalisation. We will not stop fraud until people are jailed for fraudulent cases so that people can stop rationalizing that after all others stole and they got away with it. Opportunities to steal also need to be sealed. Ukweli kapsa! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Enyewe kunakuriwaQuote:Mr Simiyu and Ms Saisi, who is the company secretary, faced separate additional charges of abuse of office and failing to ensure proper management of public funds.
The two were released on a cash bail of Sh8 million each while the rest were granted Sh5 million cash bail each. Isn't that enough evidence? cash bail of 8 mirrion If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:Enyewe kunakuriwaQuote:Mr Simiyu and Ms Saisi, who is the company secretary, faced separate additional charges of abuse of office and failing to ensure proper management of public funds.
The two were released on a cash bail of Sh8 million each while the rest were granted Sh5 million cash bail each. Isn't that enough evidence? cash bail of 8 mirrion I like this judge already "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mkenyan wrote:limanika wrote:Of the 350billion kenya loses annually to corruption, over 75% is at the low levels. If only govt focussed on the small fish (since they won’t touch the big ones) we’ll still go far.
But the mere thought by a suspect that they will be put to jail together with other criminal convicts is enough to make them spend a fortune to get the best lawyers (who end up intimidating the jury and junior lawyers for the state). If all this fails, the suspects end up bribing the jury,. And the jury is more likely to get sympathetic when they think of the ragtag conditions in jail…
So methinks that….since these corruption cases will continue at massive scale, we should build special prisons for those small and medium fish convicted of corruption crimes. The prisons for this class should be a bit humane, but all the same they should be put in solitary confinement…This way, plus other measures, we might win the war…
why special prisons for them? problem is that most kenyans ( including you unfortunately) think that corruption is a lesser crime. such a lesser crime that those guilty of it should be treated differently. start by changing your mindset on corruption - it kills by the way. Do not include me in that bracket. Corruption is evil and can’t compare with other crimes. Imagine if there was no corruption, kenya could be at the level of Malaysia today. So the corrupt have caused all this suffering, what other crime can be equal to that? On mind shift that’s what we’re discussing, what can we really do so that it becomes a norm to send these to jail rather than the exception? And the problem is not the common kenyan on the street, its the system - executive, legislature, judiciary--they all conspire by design or default to defeat justice as far as this matter is concerned
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Swenani wrote:Enyewe kunakuriwaQuote:Mr Simiyu and Ms Saisi, who is the company secretary, faced separate additional charges of abuse of office and failing to ensure proper management of public funds.
The two were released on a cash bail of Sh8 million each while the rest were granted Sh5 million cash bail each. Isn't that enough evidence? cash bail of 8 mirrion The magistrate gave the cash bail without option of bond. This is just a gauging game!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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The only practical things you can do for now are:
1. Join the feast in gava, but while you are there, just eat a little please.
2. Get a good job or start a business in private sector
3. Move out if the conditions are too harsh for you
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