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ACCK : good Revenue Poor Profit
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#11 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:53:33 PM
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stock.enigma wrote:
Depreciation expense went up by 114%. This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.


I think the shift from heavy reliance on satellite to fiber could justify this.

BBI will solve it
:)
reithi
#12 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 6:19:08 PM
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I have said it before, and will say it again. ACCK is overhyped. A close scrutiny of the results reveals margins are following rapidly.

Market fundamentals in its CORE business does not look rosy considering stiff competition especially from mobile companies, which have superior infrastructure and financial resources.

Competition also comes with price equation which is increasingly becoming skewed against ACCK.

Redemption will only come with diversification.
sparkly
#13 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:31:41 PM
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stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:40:41 PM
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sparkly wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.

Depreciation (under certain conditions) is allowable for tax purposes i.e. used to reduce taxable income...
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sparkly
#15 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 8:57:47 PM
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Kenyan internet is still in its infancy. The cable is here, next... local content is going to explode, you will need the net to buy, to sell, to access your money, file tax returns, access public services, communicate, learn, take exams, be entertained, the net will be a necessity rather than a luxury. The net cake will be huge. Access and safaricom are just ways of taking you there. One is a taxi, the other a bus. I am no IT expert but the way i see it both saf and access stand to make good money. If access is well run and can maintain top management, a monied suitor will come calling soon and investors stand to gain huge.
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sparkly
#16 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:01:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
stock.enigma wrote:
...This explains to some extent the drop in net profit. this appears to be a clever way to reduce tax burdern.

Not true since depreciation is not a tax deductible expense. The company will however benefit from a tax deduction for amounts spent on access to the cable and on the associated software.

Depreciation (under certain conditions) is allowable for tax purposes i.e. used to reduce taxable income...

@vvs how?
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the deal
#17 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:28:13 PM
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@sparkly well said...technology is the future and Africa is still verry far behind the digital age so theres still lots of potential here...AK has made huge investment in itself so lets see wait and see how the half year results play out...i think a clear picture on the way foward will be revealed then...
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 10:51:08 PM
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@sparkly - Its allowed under Kenya's tax laws... It is not a 'science' where I can prove a theorem...

The best I can do is to refer you to a knowledgeable accountant in Kenya...
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Nyquist
#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:44:23 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Kenyan internet is still in its infancy. The cable is here, next... local content is going to explode, you will need the net to buy, to sell, to access your money, file tax returns, access public services, communicate, learn, take exams, be entertained, the net will be a necessity rather than a luxury. The net cake will be huge. Access and safaricom are just ways of taking you there. One is a taxi, the other a bus. I am no IT expert but the way i see it both saf and access stand to make good money. If access is well run and can maintain top management, a monied suitor will come calling soon and investors stand to gain huge.


I definitely agree with sparkly. We are barely scratching the surface on broadband connectivity in Kenya. I say if you own AK, hold on tight for a few more years. In terms of share appreciation, AK will do better that SCOM. SCOM is too diluted.
Gordon Gekko
#20 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:49:19 AM
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I have said it before, and I will not tire to say it again. Purchase of Openview was an expensive and misplaced investment.
Somen seemed to agree in his statement - the IT business has very small margins.
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