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Paris shootings - Terrorists attack
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#81 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:37:58 PM
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@Alma - The actions and ideas of some western governments and organizations have contributed to the rise of "Islamic terrorism" but Islam also contributes to that ideology.

Islam has social,political and militant aspects to it and unlike the west, it is has very little room for change. This is a point of contention between the west and nations that heavily rely on sharia law.

This superficial call to peace and love ignores the fact that your ideals and views on the matter are not universal and others will profess and act on their own ideals and views.

The west's shortcomings also create an opportunity for the revival of and a galvanizing force around Islamic fundamentalism as an alternative. Ignoring or down playing this won't change a thing.
alma1
#82 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:50:20 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
¿ wrote:
@Alma - The actions and ideas of some western governments and organizations have contributed to the rise of "Islamic terrorism" but Islam also contributes to that ideology.

Islam has social,political and militant aspects to it and unlike the west, it is has very little room for change. This is a point of contention between the west and nations that heavily rely on sharia law.

This superficial call to peace and love ignores the fact that your ideals and views on the matter are not universal and others will profess and act on their own ideals and views.

The west's shortcomings also create an opportunity for the revival of and a galvanizing force around Islamic fundamentalism as an alternative. Ignoring or down playing this won't change a thing.


I beg to disagree


All this nonsense was started by Bill Graham and their idea of Israel falling then Jesus will come back.

I lived in America during the period of the so called republican nut cases.

They brought in George Bush and Bush gave them a war.

Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. If you know your mother is not a thief but she was hit by an American bomb and then kesho they write that they killed 100 terrorists, would you be a nice fellow.

It's humanity not Islam.

When they killed Sadam, they killed a system. They didn't care what happened to the populace. Even now Iraqis don't know if they shall die from a bomb or a nyeri woman cutting off their dicks.

So ISIS was born. The solution to being bombed.

We just can't lie and expect life to expect the lie.

Unless you are an asshole you know that you have lived with kikuyus, luhyas, jaruos, somalis, muslims, christians, muindis in this country.

You know it was not the label, it was the person.


You as a Kenyan should know better. Otherwise, tell Duale to shut up and take him to a refugee camp.

I know my posts are being watched by the CIA. They know they are f***ers and they f***ed up the world.

It's not the west shorcomings

Come on....Tony Blair all but accepted that he went to Iraq with fake info. George Bushes father all but called Dick Cheney an asshole for Iraq.

It's not Islam my friend. We allowed lunatics to tell you that muslims are bad. The muslims who used to drink a whisky like sadam you killed. Now you have the lunatics alive


They are here. So deal with them.

lunatics beget lunatics.

Kwanza when I hear Kenyan christians supporting these lunatics from the US I know there's a problem with education.

These bible belt white trash that come to Kenya call you niggers and even have some bible verses saved for you for being black. Black men are worse than white.

If you don't believe me, get a passport and go to Texas. Then come here and post about muslims.

I don't take easy solutions.

these people are the same ones here in Kenya who tell you that art caffe is only for whites.

Grow up.

A monster has been unleashed and if you think you are safe because you are christian whatever that means, then you are lost.

Murchr is right, the gov't should take people to Paris not the ICC Mpigs. To learn what's actually going on. We can learn a lot.

Thus far we have only had some Al Shabaab fools in Kenya. Can you imagine the devastation we would have with 5 simultaneous attacks in Kenya in 10 minutes simpley because guys like hardwood have a hard on about refugees? Just imagine that scenario in Kenya. For a second, just imagine it.

Let's grow up and go back to our roots. I grew up knowing people were bad because they took my lunch money not because like kabogo foreskins and like aladwa raira?

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

hardwood
#83 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:31:42 PM
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Could the authorities have done better in preventing/preempting the attacks? Were there weaknesses in the intelligence gathering and response?
hardwood
#84 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:46:54 PM
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
When you are confronted by an AK 47 wielding, 'alahu akbar' chanting jihadist, whether in europe or nairobi, you are in very big trouble. The whole world should unite against terror.
Lolest!
#85 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:48:42 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
alma1 wrote:


Now who told you that if a simpleton like me has thought about that, ISIS hasn't either.

Sad
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noun
1.
an ignorant, foolish, or silly person.

Synonyms Expand
dolt, fool, numskull, blockhead, ninny, dope.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
alma1
#86 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:52:33 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Lolest! wrote:
alma1 wrote:


Now who told you that if a simpleton like me has thought about that, ISIS hasn't either.

Sad
Quote:
noun
1.
an ignorant, foolish, or silly person.

Synonyms Expand
dolt, fool, numskull, blockhead, ninny, dope.


kweli kabisa...so what was your point?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

¿
#87 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:54:32 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 6/4/2015
Posts: 604
alma1 wrote:
¿ wrote:
@Alma - The actions and ideas of some western governments and organizations have contributed to the rise of "Islamic terrorism" but Islam also contributes to that ideology.

Islam has social,political and militant aspects to it and unlike the west, it is has very little room for change. This is a point of contention between the west and nations that heavily rely on sharia law.

This superficial call to peace and love ignores the fact that your ideals and views on the matter are not universal and others will profess and act on their own ideals and views.

The west's shortcomings also create an opportunity for the revival of and a galvanizing force around Islamic fundamentalism as an alternative. Ignoring or down playing this won't change a thing.


I beg to disagree


All this nonsense was started by Bill Graham and their idea of Israel falling then Jesus will come back.

I lived in America during the period of the so called republican nut cases.

They brought in George Bush and Bush gave them a war.

Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. If you know your mother is not a thief but she was hit by an American bomb and then kesho they write that they killed 100 terrorists, would you be a nice fellow.

It's humanity not Islam.

When they killed Sadam, they killed a system. They didn't care what happened to the populace. Even now Iraqis don't know if they shall die from a bomb or a nyeri woman cutting off their dicks.

So ISIS was born. The solution to being bombed.

We just can't lie and expect life to expect the lie.

Unless you are an asshole you know that you have lived with kikuyus, luhyas, jaruos, somalis, muslims, christians, muindis in this country.

You know it was not the label, it was the person.


You as a Kenyan should know better. Otherwise, tell Duale to shut up and take him to a refugee camp.

I know my posts are being watched by the CIA. They know they are f***ers and they f***ed up the world.

It's not the west shorcomings

Come on....Tony Blair all but accepted that he went to Iraq with fake info. George Bushes father all but called Dick Cheney an asshole for Iraq.

It's not Islam my friend. We allowed lunatics to tell you that muslims are bad. The muslims who used to drink a whisky like sadam you killed. Now you have the lunatics alive


They are here. So deal with them.

lunatics beget lunatics.

Kwanza when I hear Kenyan christians supporting these lunatics from the US I know there's a problem with education.

These bible belt white trash that come to Kenya call you niggers and even have some bible verses saved for you for being black. Black men are worse than white.

If you don't believe me, get a passport and go to Texas. Then come here and post about muslims.

I don't take easy solutions.

these people are the same ones here in Kenya who tell you that art caffe is only for whites.

Grow up.

A monster has been unleashed and if you think you are safe because you are christian whatever that means, then you are lost.

Murchr is right, the gov't should take people to Paris not the ICC Mpigs. To learn what's actually going on. We can learn a lot.

Thus far we have only had some Al Shabaab fools in Kenya. Can you imagine the devastation we would have with 5 simultaneous attacks in Kenya in 10 minutes simpley because guys like hardwood have a hard on about refugees? Just imagine that scenario in Kenya. For a second, just imagine it.

Let's grow up and go back to our roots. I grew up knowing people were bad because they took my lunch money not because like kabogo foreskins and like aladwa raira?



It started much earlier than the 20th century but has escalated in-line with the approach and actions of the west as well as movements within Islam. History can prove this.

What you are disagreeing with is that Islam plays a role but it is not an issue when grouping up lunatics,christians and the west. Similarly,like the west you are trying to tell us what Islam is and is not. Your views and ideals are not universal and I can easily prove this using Islam itself.

You say a system was killed in Iraq but you are neglecting that Islam is offering an alternative system to fall back on or acting as part of the foundation of a new one for such groups. Like I've said,you can choose to ignore or downplay this fact,but it won't change a thing.

As you tell us to grow up and go back to our roots, others are also going back to their roots hence the term Islamic fundamentalism! If you don't take easy solutions then understand that simply removing Islam from the equation and offering your alternative views on peace,love or whatever may sound nice but neglects the thoughts and feelings behind such actions.
alma1
#88 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:57:44 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
¿ wrote:
alma1 wrote:
¿ wrote:
@Alma - The actions and ideas of some western governments and organizations have contributed to the rise of "Islamic terrorism" but Islam also contributes to that ideology.

Islam has social,political and militant aspects to it and unlike the west, it is has very little room for change. This is a point of contention between the west and nations that heavily rely on sharia law.

This superficial call to peace and love ignores the fact that your ideals and views on the matter are not universal and others will profess and act on their own ideals and views.

The west's shortcomings also create an opportunity for the revival of and a galvanizing force around Islamic fundamentalism as an alternative. Ignoring or down playing this won't change a thing.


I beg to disagree


All this nonsense was started by Bill Graham and their idea of Israel falling then Jesus will come back.

I lived in America during the period of the so called republican nut cases.

They brought in George Bush and Bush gave them a war.

Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. If you know your mother is not a thief but she was hit by an American bomb and then kesho they write that they killed 100 terrorists, would you be a nice fellow.

It's humanity not Islam.

When they killed Sadam, they killed a system. They didn't care what happened to the populace. Even now Iraqis don't know if they shall die from a bomb or a nyeri woman cutting off their dicks.

So ISIS was born. The solution to being bombed.

We just can't lie and expect life to expect the lie.

Unless you are an asshole you know that you have lived with kikuyus, luhyas, jaruos, somalis, muslims, christians, muindis in this country.

You know it was not the label, it was the person.


You as a Kenyan should know better. Otherwise, tell Duale to shut up and take him to a refugee camp.

I know my posts are being watched by the CIA. They know they are f***ers and they f***ed up the world.

It's not the west shorcomings

Come on....Tony Blair all but accepted that he went to Iraq with fake info. George Bushes father all but called Dick Cheney an asshole for Iraq.

It's not Islam my friend. We allowed lunatics to tell you that muslims are bad. The muslims who used to drink a whisky like sadam you killed. Now you have the lunatics alive


They are here. So deal with them.

lunatics beget lunatics.

Kwanza when I hear Kenyan christians supporting these lunatics from the US I know there's a problem with education.

These bible belt white trash that come to Kenya call you niggers and even have some bible verses saved for you for being black. Black men are worse than white.

If you don't believe me, get a passport and go to Texas. Then come here and post about muslims.

I don't take easy solutions.

these people are the same ones here in Kenya who tell you that art caffe is only for whites.

Grow up.

A monster has been unleashed and if you think you are safe because you are christian whatever that means, then you are lost.

Murchr is right, the gov't should take people to Paris not the ICC Mpigs. To learn what's actually going on. We can learn a lot.

Thus far we have only had some Al Shabaab fools in Kenya. Can you imagine the devastation we would have with 5 simultaneous attacks in Kenya in 10 minutes simpley because guys like hardwood have a hard on about refugees? Just imagine that scenario in Kenya. For a second, just imagine it.

Let's grow up and go back to our roots. I grew up knowing people were bad because they took my lunch money not because like kabogo foreskins and like aladwa raira?



It started much earlier than the 20th century but has escalated in-line with the approach and actions of the west as well as movements within Islam. History can prove this.

What you are disagreeing with is that Islam plays a role but it is not an issue when grouping up lunatics,christians and the west. Similarly,like the west you are trying to tell us what Islam is and is not. Your views and ideals are not universal and I can easily prove this using Islam itself.

You say a system was killed in Iraq but you are neglecting that Islam is offering an alternative system to fall back on or acting as part of the foundation of a new one for such groups. Like I've said,you can choose to ignore or downplay this fact,but it won't change a thing.

As you tell us to grow up and go back to our roots, others are also going back to their roots hence the term Islamic fundamentalism! If you don't take easy solutions then understand that simply removing Islam from the equation and offering your alternative views on peace,love or whatever may sound nice but neglects the thoughts,feelings and actions behind such actions.


Just read what you have just said and come back with a better analysis please.

I gave you a fact of life...Just like Waiguru learned that her lawyer was an al shabaab muslim.

Now go back and find another argument before you start throwing up on your islamic puke.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

whiteowl
#89 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:59:39 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
Today is a sad day Paris and the rest of the world especially if these attacks are a sign of things to come. The attacks were executed with military precision and that requires lots of training/logistics even from the locals so blaming the recent immigrants is pure lunacy.Syria is turning out to be another Iraqi with the only glimmer of hope is the Assad is still in power. We have Christian lunatics cheering the West bombings and on the other hand we have Muslim extremists with both sides quoting scriptures to justify killings. The only winners here are the ones who end up with the oil and pipeline deals.Everybody else is a pone and ends up dead or displaced.
Lolest!
#90 Posted : Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:01:56 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
alma1 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
alma1 wrote:


Now who told you that if a simpleton like me has thought about that, ISIS hasn't either.

Sad
Quote:
noun
1.
an ignorant, foolish, or silly person.

Synonyms Expand
dolt, fool, numskull, blockhead, ninny, dope.


kweli kabisa...so what was your point?

No objection!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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