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Now Imperial Bank under receivership for 12 months
dunkang
#196 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:36:15 PM
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streetwise wrote:
I can’t believe CBK still intends to open the bank ( Imperial ) at the current state of affairs.

In the first two hours all the money will be gone.

I sincerely think the best option is to sell the bank to another one which has a unspoiled name. This is the only saviour.


Someone was offered to buy it and responded, "HELL NO!"
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

githundi
#197 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:19:05 PM
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smitha wrote:
I see Stanchart is also in trouble in the UK market, it's shares are down 10% today and there are rumours that it may have trouble passing UK stress tests next month. Too big to fail? Look at Lehmans....

Stan chart happens to be the most stable bank in Kenya......
Democracy does not belong to the dead
muganda
#198 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 5:03:24 PM
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Whooah, what a flimsy document for such large amounts of money

Fraud as alleged by above poster in more than a dozen steps:

• #imperialbank – the late Janmohamed was the only executive that sat on the board.
• He was the chief architect to the fraud – and assisted by his senior team, PKF and CBK to hide the irregular borrowing.
• Three companies are at the center of this irregular borrowing (38.5 Billion, including accumulated interest over 13 years)
• Basically, JanMohamed and his crew underreported the bank’s depositor base so that they could hide the irregular loans
• So how did he get away with it for so so long?

• First to his board, he always presented a ‘re-worked’ top 50 borrower list, so the board always thought all was well.
• The top 50 borrower list his CFO shared with CBK was also different from the one the board saw
• This is where CBK comes into the picture; Janmohamed and crew ‘convinced’ them to never go into their core banking system
• So basically, CBK always took what they were told as the whole truth.

• In 2012, a whistle blower singled out WE Tilley as getting irregular transfers from #Imperialbank
• In an email to CBK – the CFO acknowledged WE Tilley as a customer, but said they didn’t have any facility with the bank
• Which was false – WE Tilley at the point had received over 19 billion shillings (and hadn’t paid a single cent back, no paper work)
• CBK took that as the final position and quickly moved on from the Whistle blower, they looked the other side

• The only time the board reprimanded JanMohammed was when he was asked TO STOP lending money to a company called ‘Meta’
• Jade Petroleum is a company #imperialbank has sued for irregularly receiving 1.8 billion (Plus interest) through JanMohammed
• The Jade association is bizzare, the owner used to send Janmohammed a list of expenses to be cleared
• Salon bills, supermarket shopping – plane tickets – shopping for his wife and Janmohammed cleared them through #imperialbank

• Who are these people? What did they have on the late GMD?
• They are associated with a family that used to own the Dolphin group – one of them was jailed in the UK for conning an investor
• A company renovating CBK offices was given a loan through Janmohammed – but it was never reported in the books
• The #imperialbank CFO is on record negotiating for a 6 million bob payout to CBK peeps

• So where has the regulator been all this time? Where is their AUDIT report?
• CBK owns a clearance house – but not one time did they question the transaction and now they say they can’t trace them
• The same chaps involved in Charterhouse are elbows deep in this mess and CBK was mum, the whole time.

• What about the watchdog, the board paid for – PKF? Well, one of their directors also received a 19 million bob irregular loan
• Kesho, receipts. #Imperialbank GMD used to send chits to his finance peeps. These ones relate to WE Tilley #receipts
alma1
#199 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 5:34:23 PM
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@muganda this is a shocking story..

But the story below that is even more shocking. I keep on telling people to keep away from iHub nonsense Venture Capitalists.

Is anyone going to take the sword for Imperial Bank or will they also say it was the dead man who did it?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#200 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 6:04:32 PM
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Quote:
    • First to his board, he always presented a ‘re-worked’ top 50 borrower list, so the board always thought all was well.
    • The top 50 borrower list his CFO shared with CBK was also different from the one the board saw
    • This is where CBK comes into the picture; Janmohamed and crew ‘convinced’ them to never go into their core banking system
    • So basically, CBK always took what they were told as the whole truth.

    • The only time the board reprimanded JanMohammed was when he was asked TO STOP lending money to a company called ‘Meta’
    Jade Petroleum is a company #imperialbank has sued for irregularly receiving 1.8 billion (Plus interest) through JanMohammed
    • The Jade association is bizzare, the owner used to send Janmohammed a list of expenses to be cleared
    • Salon bills, supermarket shopping – plane tickets – shopping for his wife and Janmohammed cleared them through #imperialbank

    • Who are these people? What did they have on the late GMD?

    • They are associated with a family that used to own the Dolphin group – one of them was jailed in the UK for conning an investor
    • A company renovating CBK offices was given a loan through Janmohammed – but it was never reported in the books
    The #imperialbank CFO is on record negotiating for a 6 million bob payout to CBK peeps




This stinks hard. Corruption has taken root to the core of the society. These under dealings will chock us. Its about time all banks are audited. @muganda who is PKF? Am lost!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Othelo
#201 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 6:45:57 PM
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murchr wrote:
Quote:
    • First to his board, he always presented a ‘re-worked’ top 50 borrower list, so the board always thought all was well.
    • The top 50 borrower list his CFO shared with CBK was also different from the one the board saw
    • This is where CBK comes into the picture; Janmohamed and crew ‘convinced’ them to never go into their core banking system
    • So basically, CBK always took what they were told as the whole truth.

    • The only time the board reprimanded JanMohammed was when he was asked TO STOP lending money to a company called ‘Meta’
    Jade Petroleum is a company #imperialbank has sued for irregularly receiving 1.8 billion (Plus interest) through JanMohammed
    • The Jade association is bizzare, the owner used to send Janmohammed a list of expenses to be cleared
    • Salon bills, supermarket shopping – plane tickets – shopping for his wife and Janmohammed cleared them through #imperialbank

    • Who are these people? What did they have on the late GMD?

    • They are associated with a family that used to own the Dolphin group – one of them was jailed in the UK for conning an investor
    • A company renovating CBK offices was given a loan through Janmohammed – but it was never reported in the books
    The #imperialbank CFO is on record negotiating for a 6 million bob payout to CBK peeps




This stinks hard. Corruption has taken root to the core of the society. These under dealings will chock us. Its about time all banks are audited. @muganda who is PKF? Am lost!

Audit Firm/External Auditors of Imperial Bank
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
moneydust
#202 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 7:05:54 PM
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Othelo wrote:
murchr wrote:


This stinks hard. Corruption has taken root to the core of the society. These under dealings will chock us. Its about time all banks are audited. @muganda who is PKF? Am lost!

Audit Firm/External Auditors of Imperial Bank



Before everything else..CBK should bar PKF from auditing in the banking sector as external auditors.The level of connivance or incompetence or both in this matter is shocking.
dunkang
#203 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 7:31:21 PM
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Just wondering, what were the auditors (internal, external & CBK's) doing for 13 years?

CBK should fire people from within.
PKF should be deregistered by their professional body.

CBK should mount a 3 months non-stop audit of all banks (they are just ~45)
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

murchr
#204 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 7:54:23 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Just wondering, what were the auditors (internal, external & CBK's) doing for 13 years?

CBK should fire people from within.
PKF should be deregistered by their professional body.

CBK should mount a 3 months non-stop audit of all banks (they are just ~45)


Exactly....Are we going to blame a dead man yet there are "systems" in place?

Mutunga needs to set up a special court for economic crimes
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hisah
#205 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 8:05:01 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Just wondering, what were the auditors (internal, external & CBK's) doing for 13 years?

CBK should fire people from within.
PKF should be deregistered by their professional body.

CBK should mount a 3 months non-stop audit of all banks (they are just ~45)

A quick google search shows the following listed firms have PFK footprints.

1. Home Afrika
2. Marshalls
3. Express Kenya

NSE Listed bond - Real People - KES 1.63B floated in Aug 2015.

This will be interesting as the rabbit hole goes deeper and the banking regulator has some tough queries to answer also.

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
smitha
#206 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:29:52 PM
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GOK to the rescue? http://www.businessdaily.../-/4pfjxuz/-/index.html

The rogue accountants at PKF should be disbarred from practice. It would not be fair to shut down the whole practice as innocent employees would suffer.
Museveni
#207 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2015 3:15:08 PM
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Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
wazuaguest
#208 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2015 5:23:49 PM
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Museveni wrote:


The sad part is that some families for generations will continue enjoying that loot
Africa belongs to Africans.
muganda
#209 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2015 12:31:32 PM
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Central Bank a tad frustrated by the pace of the shareholders.
Imperial's owners frustrate CBK plan

Meanwhile, large depositors met in Mombasa further irking CBK.



KulaRaha
#210 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2015 12:50:42 PM
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Apparently a meeting this evening in Nairobi for depositors too.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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