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Safaricom: time to sell as Michael Joseph to retire at the end of 2010
guru267
#51 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 6:30:03 AM
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the deal wrote:
safcom is a growth stock hence the high p.e...muzungus knows this thats why they buy it like crazy...theyre not looking at june,theyre looking at 3 years...mpesa has over 7 mil subscribers...its the only 3G network in kenya...dont forget the stock buy back...vodacom did that recently...


@the deal i agree with safcom being a terrific growth stock.. they have 10million Mpesa subscribers which is more than the total banking population in kenya and the data business is just getting started...

though i do have a bone to pick with you on the issue of stock buy backs... stock buy backs as good and as healthy as they are, are NOT allowed at the NSE... what safcom will do is called a share consolidation which is the exact opposite of a share split...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#52 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 7:09:33 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@sheep - Wacha madharao... ;-) Kwani safcom ate ur mbuzi?

safcom @ PER of 20???? Please give me the math...


@VVS come on.. i really find the question strange... did you buy safcom without knowing this info???? price of 5.35 and an EPS of 0.26 as simple math as you'll ever get...

though the forward P.E.R will be less...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#53 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 7:27:43 AM
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safcom will post full year results of more than 20billion this year even with a HUGE investment expenditure in 2009...

in three years alot of investors critisizing the stock will eat their words...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
ProverB
#54 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:41:44 AM
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guru267 wrote:
safcom will post full year results of more than 20billion this year even with a HUGE investment expenditure in 2009...

in three years alot of investors critisizing the stock will eat their words...


Guru...no problem..as long as they beat profit margin for last year..plus have a higher growth rate in earnings..and return on equity, and of course...factor these on per share basissmile
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2012
#55 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 9:53:05 AM
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guru267 wrote:
safcom will post full year results of more than 20billion this year...


Why do you think so?
Please share a bit more...

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#56 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 1:18:48 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@sheep - Wacha madharao... ;-) Kwani safcom ate ur mbuzi?

safcom @ PER of 20???? Please give me the math...


@VVS come on.. i really find the question strange... did you buy safcom without knowing this info???? price of 5.35 and an EPS of 0.26 as simple math as you'll ever get...

though the forward P.E.R will be less...

I was getting at that P/E & PER are used interchangeably...

PER = P/E Ratio...

BTW, I bought safcom as speculative stock (a departure for me)... so yes I did not look at PER...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#57 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 2:13:25 PM
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2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
safcom will post full year results of more than 20billion this year...


Why do you think so?
Please share a bit more...



@2012 its just educated speculation based on half year results and projected revenue streams..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Djinn
#58 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 2:24:57 PM
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@sheep - you have seen the forest for the trees...some ripostes here may be wishful thinking (perhaps some are still bleeding after investing in these shares), others are taking a text book look at the shares, others are citing surveys whose veracity or methodology (why Eastleigh - how about in Kinango, Wote, Kimilili, etc) cannot be proven.

I do not wish to harp on much further lest I take some flak myself for being naive and presuming to talk amongst knowledgeable people.

Fact is subscriber base may grow but revenues will continue to decline. Everyone wants to hawk data but no one knows how to do this without causing congestion. SOmeone said 3G - out of 14 million subscribers, a handful are using 3G (or can afford 3G devices - lets not tout 3G as a money spinner - you might as well as well say purple Jogoo will help Unga Limited's profitability).

Djinn
#59 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 2:33:01 PM
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and I'd like to make a small observation about Safaricom and Mpesa - but first let me mention what I have said before about Simu Ya Jamii.

Simu ya Jamii started off as a good idea on how to create employment and share talk time revenues with small business owners (some relying entirely on the device to make income). The idea was to even allow current subscribers to make a call just for the duration they need if they could not top up with Kshs 50 bob. And of course as part of its obligation to allow Universal Access to those who could not afford phones. Then it lowers the bar (or raises the bar depending on how you want to look at it) and brings a 20 bob card - no one goes to Simu ya Jamii anymore since 20 is accessible. Of course we have more litter now that we have 10 and 5 cards as well....

Back to Mpesa - and we have seen SK members getting excited about this and also various discussions. Anyway, now that the "retail" market has reached saturation, no one really makes money from Mpesa except Safaricom. Where we would have x outlets in 1 km/sq, we now have x3 outlets - revenues are spread thin (smaller slices of the cake). Some are worse off the others I hear. Now, I think the axe is hovering - no need to go to Djinn Photo Studio or Wazua Pharmacy to collect M-pesa - just go to pesa point or any Equity ATM (zero HR costs, zero capex on equipment or maintenance since the ATM is already there, therefore more margins). Djinn Photo Studio closes at 7pm - ATM open 24/7. ATM definitely has a float - Djinn Photo Studio cannot pay out Kshs 15,000....

Impunity
#60 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2010 2:43:41 PM
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the sage wrote:
@All, they'll probably higher some CEO who will lay off guys,freeze salaries and scrap bonuses as part of a "corporate strategy."
Pathetic.


Lugha ni ngumu kweli kweli.d'oh!

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