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The Acorn Saga - Britam vs Cytonn
enyands
#161 Posted : Monday, October 26, 2015 4:12:36 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Horton
"Don't give me the jargon on cases in Kenya take long..coz thats baloney!"

They do. A simple matter I am involved in has not had a hearing for 12+ months. The judge is lazy. Dates are taken for Mentions. And new (deferred) dates are given for mentions at these dates! Then the judge goes on vacation [why give a date if you are going on vacation?] so the mention for the hearing is postponed by the Clerk to a date when she MIGHT be back. BTW, this doesn't even account for the court vacation which means no hearing/court dates for 6 weeks.

All this is after BOTH parties just want a ruling on a matter. At one point the judge took 20 minutes off to read a 2-page submission she had for 2 weeks. I kid you not. Then she deferred her decision & gave another date for the mention to set a date for the ruling.

Once, the case was not even listed on the date given for the mention. So a new date was given. Then the file goes missing. So you go back to the judge to get permission to 're-create' the file. This takes 2 court dates. Another 3 weeks. Even that was after folks threw a fit.

Long story short. You can die while the case is going on.

Now a complex case like Britam vs Cytonn, seeing how long a simple matter takes, can take a decade! It has been almost 2 years with 1+ year spent not on a ruling (on a specific item) but trying to get a date for a ruling for that simple item/submission!

Now I understand why banks don't want to foreclose. It can take them years to get a ruling.



And you forgot to mention back room lobbying that can be done so that the judge can give a ruling in favor of one . Then others have become so lucrative that at the back room they chew from both parties without their knowledge. The only solution is to postpone cases as they continue to chew longer .
Outside court settlement is a good way to go. It's good they realised that .Iv been a victim and I know how miserably it goes in there
innairobi
#162 Posted : Monday, October 26, 2015 2:50:53 PM
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Horton wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Cytonn trying to recover legal costs. Must be a painful expense for such a small company. They are competing with an elephant at shitting. I think Britam just wants to frustrate, defame and bleed them to death ili iwe funzo.



I dont think Cytonn is small. I have invested with them. They are an extremely well oiled machine.very efficient They have projects worth 50B in the pipeline. Britam, im sure are scared. Their best minds have left them, to compete with them! These court cases seem frivolous.


i meant small in relative terms i.e. compared to britam and its peers. i'm sure their financials are tiny in comparison.

project pipelines are great but unfortunately, its a piece of corporate jargon that is often used to exaggerate the size of fledgling organizations. for instance, in that 50B pipeline, how did they arrive at that valuation, how much of that project value will be actual income for cytonn, what's the structure of financing, what are the timelines for those projects to come to fruition, how much control does cytonn have over those projects i.e. who are the other major stakeholders etc.

i have nothing against cytonn. i have tremendous respect for every person that is bold enough to chart their own path away from the safety of a regular job and will be excited for them if they do succeed. the success of a nation rests on the success of its entrepreneurs.

but that thing of best minds is not true. the most fatal mistake cytonn can make is to underestimate the market because they believe they are 'the best brains'. no one is indispensable especially in an organisation as large as britam. hata michael joseph left safaricom and the company continues to scale new heights.
All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
murchr
#163 Posted : Friday, November 06, 2015 8:53:18 PM
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Private equity firm Helios Investment Partners has entered into a joint venture with property developer Acorn Group, giving the erstwhile Britam partner the financial muscle to undertake large real estate projects.

http://www.businessdaily...76/-/6tmd2u/-/index.html
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Magnate
#164 Posted : Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:46:37 AM
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Cytonn appoints CDSC Chairman Mr Bristow to its Board

http://kenyanwallstreet....mr-bristow-to-its-board



No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
paulkimani
#165 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:53:22 PM
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Cytonn’s in-house lawyer, Patricia Wanjama – as well as being enjoined in the Britam suit – is being investigated by the LSK disciplinary committee. Her own father sits on the board of the LSK disciplinary comittee, and Cytonn also now sponsors the LSK - as stated on the LSK website.


Many companies and individuals are creating real estate deals much larger than Cytonn – which begs the question – why is the media focusing on Cytonn (see BD article on Cytonn “Causing a storm” in the real estate market) – Are they “sponsoring” the media also?

Horton
#166 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:16:59 PM
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great another "hello" asking the "important questions" Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

paulkimani
#167 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:49:55 PM
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Horton, these questions are important considering they're a private equity firm handling individuals savings.
brayosylvan
#168 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:38:03 PM
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Why is the market so low
Realtreaty
#169 Posted : Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:25:35 PM
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brayosylvan wrote:
Why is the market so low

Sad Sad Reason coz Oil/petroleum prices are low and there are oil floods in the market and no money to buy goods and services produced at high costs of labour and materials.
newfarer
#170 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:31:00 PM
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