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Kenya rises 28 places in WB Doing Business report
Angelica _ann
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:23:09 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
When WB starts doing PR for Kenya and IMF is cheering treasury as it loads up more debt, econ can only head south.

GoK decides to come to the table with them from the West instead of facing East!!!
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KiFagio
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:39:13 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
When WB starts doing PR for Kenya and IMF is cheering treasury as it loads up more debt, econ can only head south.

You are right. This is BS.
Much Know
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:40:08 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
When WB starts doing PR for Kenya and IMF is cheering treasury as it loads up more debt, econ can only head south.

GoK decides to come to the table with them from the West instead of facing East!!!

You did not see in the news that east has financial problems? How complicated can it be?
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innairobi
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:18:03 AM
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the economist examined the danger or uselessness of these rankings

[quote]A favourable spot in the World Bank’s Doing Business Ranking list is useful when pitching for foreign-direct investment or aid. Yet when such a measure becomes a target of policy, it may cease to be a reliable guide. Countries might seek to improve their ranking on the Doing Business index by amending regulations in ways that have little substance. Rwanda is often accused of this. It was ranked 46th (ten places above Italy) in the latest World Bank rankings, up from 158th in 2005, despite being one of the world’s poorest countries. The gap between the Doing Business ranking and average income is hefty in other places, too (see chart).

Such discrepancies feed concerns about shortcomings in the Doing Business report (about many of which the World Bank is admirably upfront). There are three broad criticisms. One is that the survey has a bias against regulation and taxes. A disputed labour-market gauge that looked at the ease of hiring and firing workers and the flexibility of working hours was cut from the survey in part to counter such criticism. But an indicator related to paying tax survives: it is based on the proportion of profits that firms have to fork over, as well as the number of taxes levied and the time taken to prepare tax returns.

High taxation may hamper the incentive to invest, but a low tax take can also hurt the business climate if it means governments do not have enough revenue to pay for essential infrastructure, education and health care. In a recent paper, Tim Besley of the London School of Economics found that the average rank of countries with a value-added tax in 2006 was 23 places lower than that of countries without one. Yet VAT is a vital plank of public finances in many countries where income taxes are hard to collect. In most cases, though, less really is more. Costly delays in starting a new firm, registering property or issuing building permits can hardly be the desired goals of regulation.

A second grumble about the World Bank index is that it does not cover important elements of the business climate, such as security, corruption, market size, financial stability, infrastructure and skills. The gauges that are included are often incomplete. For instance, the survey’s credit-market measure is based in part on how well the legal rights of borrowers and lenders are protected; it is not a gauge of how easy it is to get loans or how wisely credit is allocated. The survey captures how troublesome it is to get electricity connected but not how reliable the power supply is.

A third weakness of the report is that it is not based on surveys of businesses. Instead it looks at what is required by a county’s laws and regulations and tries to measure objectively how much time and effort it would take for a typical company to comply with them. Such yardsticks may be out of touch with reality.

Poor countries tend to have more rules but may not bother to enforce lots of them. In another recent paper, Mary Hallward-Driemeier of the World Bank and Lant Pritchett of Harvard University compared the Doing Business report with surveys of firms carried out by the World Bank. How business is done in theory and in practice was greatly at odds, they found. The median time to get a building permit in the countries covered was 177 days according to the Doing Business report, but the median firm said it took just 30 days. The experiences of firms varied enormously, even within countries with a low ease-of-doing-business ranking. Some secured permits almost as quickly as peers in high-ranked countries.

Such findings suggest that wherever strict rules are enforced by a weak state, connected firms find ways to escape the red tape.

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sitaki.kujulikana
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:43:12 AM
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Kenyans, something good is said of you, and you go ahead and call it BS and come up with all ways of proving the good thing said is wrong.
You are treated like trash and you complain the west sees nothing good in you.

Now what is happening, the middle class feels that just because things are not going their way, there is no way the country could be doing well.
enyands
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:32:06 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Kenyans, something good is said of you, and you go ahead and call it BS and come up with all ways of proving the good thing said is wrong.
You are treated like trash and you complain the west sees nothing good in you.

Now what is happening, the middle class feels that just because things are not going their way, there is no way the country could be doing well.



When you look at the debt level and economy and the cost of living can you say we are doing ok
hisah
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:38:31 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
When WB starts doing PR for Kenya and IMF is cheering treasury as it loads up more debt, econ can only head south.

Best comment. Fact, these bretton woods outfits have never built any nation's economy. If anyone has facts that refute this point, post them here.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:13:19 AM
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hisah wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
When WB starts doing PR for Kenya and IMF is cheering treasury as it loads up more debt, econ can only head south.

Best comment. Fact, these bretton woods outfits have never built any nation's economy. If anyone has facts that refute this point, post them here.


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Nimerudi
#19 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 12:18:43 PM
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Those rankings ought to be scrapped. They are more political than indicative of the business environment.

One moment you're the WB's favourite student then a few years later questions of 'what went wrong' come around. Ghana here we come.
Mike Ock
#20 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 12:24:40 PM
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They must have been counting tenderpreneurship in that survey. After the money is laundered through real estate and other businesses, it must look like Kenya is thriving
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