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dunkang
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:44:41 PM
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maka wrote:
Once an employer is served with a notice of deduction of union dues and he/she doesnt comply,the court can issue appropriate orders.
The employer collects the union dues on behalf of the union and hands them over.there is nothing like a gentlemans agreement hapa...Section 49 through to 50 of the labour relations act...Actually its an OFFENCE.

I don't think that would hold water. It reminds me of the CGT on NSE between stockbrokers and Treasury, finally, treasury had to start using threats.
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Othelo
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:51:08 PM
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Majority of these teachers & KNUT/KUPPET nonsense are tyranny, let their balls be squeezed proper both sides!!!
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maka
#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:51:27 PM
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dunkang wrote:
maka wrote:
Once an employer is served with a notice of deduction of union dues and he/she doesnt comply,the court can issue appropriate orders.
The employer collects the union dues on behalf of the union and hands them over.there is nothing like a gentlemans agreement hapa...Section 49 through to 50 of the labour relations act...Actually its an OFFENCE.

I don't think that would hold water. It reminds me of the CGT on NSE between stockbrokers and Treasury, finally, treasury had to start using threats.


They are engaging in battles better left alone...This they cant win.
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Euge
#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:57:38 PM
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This GOK is being crafty. The children are loosing. That's why KCSE exam papers and answer sheets are all over.Coz of they way they are treating the teachers
Lord, thank you!
Othelo
#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:01:44 PM
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maka wrote:
dunkang wrote:
maka wrote:
Once an employer is served with a notice of deduction of union dues and he/she doesnt comply,the court can issue appropriate orders.
The employer collects the union dues on behalf of the union and hands them over.there is nothing like a gentlemans agreement hapa...Section 49 through to 50 of the labour relations act...Actually its an OFFENCE.

I don't think that would hold water. It reminds me of the CGT on NSE between stockbrokers and Treasury, finally, treasury had to start using threats.


They are engaging in battles better left alone...This they cant win.

1. Recognition agreements

2. Minister's authority to deduct.

This is the problem of placement of individuals beyond their competencies. Anyway let us see how this one works out, again in the courts.
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murchr
#26 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:29:41 PM
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@maka Post that section 49-50 law here...these union members can still remit that 2% if they are very loyal
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Othelo
#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:33:19 PM
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Labour Relations Act 2007.........


PART VI  TRADE UNION DUES, AGENCY FEES
AND EMPLOYERS’ ORGANISATION FEES
48.(1) In this Part, “trade union dues” means a regular
subscription required to be paid to a trade union by a
member of the trade union as a condition of membership.

(2) A trade union may, in the prescribed form, request the Minister to issue an order directing an employer of more than five employees belonging to the union to―

(a) deduct trade union dues from the wages of its
members; and

(b) pay monies so deducted -
(i) into a specified account of the trade union;
or

(ii) in specified proportions into specified
accounts of a trade union and a federation
of trade unions.

(3) An employer in respect of whom the Minister
has issued an order under subsection (2) shall commence
deducting the trade union dues from an employee’s wages
within thirty days of the trade union serving a notice in
Form S set out in the Third Schedule signed by the
employees in respect of whom the employer is required to
make a deduction.
(4) The Minister may vary an order issued under this section on application by the trade union.

(5) An order issued under this section, including an order to vary, revoke or suspend an order, takes effect from the month following the month in which the notice is served on the employer.

(6) An employer may not make any deduction
from an employee who has notified the employer in
writing that the employee has resigned from the union.
(7) A notice of resignation referred to in subsection (6) takes effect from the month following the month in which it is given.
(8) An employer shall forward a copy of any notice of resignation he receives to the trade union.

Deduction of agency fees from unionisable
employees covered by collective agreements.


49.(1) A trade union that has concluded a
collective agreement registered by the Industrial Court
with an employer, group of employers or an employers’
organisation, setting terms and conditions of service for all
unionisable employees covered by the agreement may
request the Minister to issue an order requiring any
employer bound by the collective agreement to deduct an
agency fee from the wages of each unionisable employee
covered by the collective agreement who is not a member
of the trade union.

(2) A request in accordance with sub-section (1) shall―

(a) be signed by the authorized representatives of
the trade union and employer, group of
employers or employers’ organisation;

(b) supply a list of all employees prepared by the
employer in respect of whom a deduction shall
be made;

(c) specify the amount of the agency fee, which
may not exceed the applicable trade union
dues; and

(d) specify the trade union account into which the
dues shall be paid.

(3) An employer in respect of whom the Minister has issued an order as specified in subsection (1) shall commence deducting agency fees from the employees named in the Minister’s notice within thirty days of receiving the Minister’s notice.

(4) The Minister may vary an order issued under this section on application by the trade union and the employer, group of employers or employers’ organisation concerned.

(5) A member of trade union covered by a
collective agreement contemplated by subsection (1) who
resigns from the union, is immediately liable to have an
agency fee deducted from his wages in accordance with
this section.

(6) If a collective agreement is implemented retrospectively after registration by the Industrial Court, the agency fee shall be deducted and paid to the trade union for the period of retrospective implementation in accordance with this section.


General provisions applicable to
deductions


50. (1) Any amount deducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part shall be paid into the designated trade union, or employers’ organisation account within ten days of the deduction being made.

(2) The Minister may revoke or suspend a notice issued in accordance with of this Part if the Minister has reason to believe that―

(a) the order was obtained by misrepresentation or
fraud;

(b) the money is not being paid into the designated
account; or

(c) the money is being used for a purpose other
than the lawful trade union or federation
activities.

(3) No amount deducted from the wages of an employee in accordance of this Part may be recovered from the employer by that employee.

(4) Any amount deducted from the wages of a member of a trade union by the member’s employer in accordance with this section discharges the liability of the member to pay trade union dues.

(5) An employer may set off against any sum
payable to a trade union in accordance with this section, the amount of any money over paid by the employer into the account designated by the Minister.

(6) No employer shall make a deduction from the
wages of an employee for the purposes of making a payment
to any trade union, except in accordance with the provisions
of this Part.

(7)A trade union or a trade union federation shall acknowledge receipt of any monies paid to it within fourteen days of receiving the money.
(8) No employer shall―

(i) fail to comply with an order or a notice
issued under this Part;
(ii) deduct any money and not pay it into the
account designated in the notice issued
by the Minister; or
(iii) pay money into an account other than the
account designated in the notice issued
by the Minister.

(9) No person shall―
(i) request an employer to pay money
deducted in accordance with this section
into an account other than the account
designated by the Minister in the notice;
or

(ii) use any money deducted in accordance
with this section for any purpose other than the lawful activities of a trade union or a trade union federation.

(10) An employer or any person who contravenes the provisions of this section commits an offence.

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Njung'e
#28 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:24:06 PM
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Section 50(2)(c).......Good enough reason. The employer collects money and remits. The union uses the money to drag and same employer around court corridors / pay lawyers. Does KNUT still have a case?

Meanwhile why can't they ask some money from that Bu-pamba fund?smile
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Boris Boyka
#29 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:24:51 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly So the Minister has the powers. Who's the minister? So Many loopholes. Legally hapa hakuna mahali utashtaki TSC. Knut should Go back and Talk to TSC nicely.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Kaigangio
#30 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:25:34 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Labour Relations Act 2007.........


PART VI  TRADE UNION DUES, AGENCY FEES
AND EMPLOYERS’ ORGANISATION FEES

48.(2) A trade union may, in the prescribed form, request the Minister to issue an order directing an employer of more than five employees belonging to the union to―

(a) deduct trade union dues from the wages of its
members; and

(b) pay monies so deducted -
(i) into a specified account of the trade union;
or

(ii) in specified proportions into specified
accounts of a trade union and a federation
of trade unions.

(4) The Minister may vary an order issued under this section on application by the trade union.

(5) An order issued under this section, including an order to vary, revoke or suspend an order, takes effect from the month following the month in which the notice is served on the employer.

(6) An employer may not make any deduction
from an employee who has notified the employer in
writing that the employee has resigned from the union.



@Maka....your section 49 and 50 deals with deduction and remission of agency fees which are covered in the collective bargain agreement between the employer and the trade union.

The trade union dues which are the members contribution to the trade union is covered in section 48 and from the way I understand it is that the same way the minister (CS) issues an order for trade unions dues deductions to be deducted and remitted on behalf of the union by the employer,is the same way that He/She will issue an order to the employer revoking or suspending the same. The CS here is still within the law and does not need to consult the trade union.

I did not see anywhere where the TSC will have committed an offence for acting on the CS's order or the CS committed an offence by issuing that order to the TSC.

From the way I see it Sossion aka choir master should be in Kaimenyi's office seriously discussing an MOU and sending other emissaries to TSC to convince them (TSC) that they have families to feed.
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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