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limanika
#41 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 4:53:28 PM
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@Harry now we're talking but that's not complete solution. We need to know why i believe never saw this coming right from day 1
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faa
#42 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 6:24:22 PM
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People don't understand the extent bu the jubilee gvt is purely overstealing


At ruto's office tenders are dished like free milk, a guy I know recently got a tender worth 65m to install solar panel panel public school in in certain district in Eastern province.

He was paid 34m even before the Could start start work. His total cost was 11m

Has anyone seen SGR railway being constructed.If you travel to Mombasa from Nrb by road just check.

There is no way such a basic rail could cost over 300b. Yours truly uhuruto are pocketin over 50b from just that.

They have not basic knowledge of how an economy operates, leave alone supply and demand. All they know is ICC and how to tak selfie.
Jus stealIn everywhere. Purely KANU and taking kenya nowhere. Clueless
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timizo
#43 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:15:14 PM
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limanika wrote:
@Harry now we're talking but that's not complete solution. We need to know why i believe never saw this coming right from day 1


I saw it coming immediately the results were announced. Kenya had a chance to save this country when a number of options that could be trusted presented themselves for election to lead this country. We however opted to give over 90% of the vote to the two worst options.

When the prince picked kutender as the running mate, I thought.... He is either like him and approves his behaviour when it come to public property which is public knowledge (from the days of Youth for Kanu 92, Ngong Forest, Processional way, IDP Land, Airport Land, Railway Land - Just a little of what we know, or the prince was too desperate to be President that he did not mind who he teamed up with. I had also not forgotten that before Kibaki took power, Farmers in Nyandarua preferred to milk and pour the Milk just to relieve their animals. A company related with the prince was paying peanuts to farmers because KCC had been killed. Some machines had also been taken from KCC Kiganjo in Nyeri by we know who. Based on that, I decided they will not have my vote even when everyone else was giving them.

Kutender actually negotiated for Finance, Agriculture and Energy dockets before the elections as one of the conditions to team up with Uhuru. Remember he was also negotiating with Raila and no one was sure who he would team up with. Uhuru it appears gave him a sweeter deal and Raila had to go for Kalonzo.
Of course Cord was a no no. They would compete with the current team or even be worse.

What do we really look for when we go to that ballot box? May be our only interest is our tribes-man.

I think ignorant, stupid and foolish may be the word to describe the average Kenyan voter.
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tycho
#44 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 12:29:12 AM
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'Average voter' is the other straw man some of us like using to prop self importance. Does such a person exist?

The issue of 'voting for tribesmen' is another fallacy. It's so difficult to show that this is what the 'average voter' does!

Yet these fallacies are repeated over and over; why?
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Kratos
#45 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 4:58:05 AM
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tycho wrote:
'Average voter' is the other straw man some of us like using to prop self importance. Does such a person exist?

The issue of 'voting for tribesmen' is another fallacy. It's so difficult to show that this is what the 'average voter' does!

Yet these fallacies are repeated over and over; why?






Convenience and the need to be right.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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limanika
#46 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 6:40:22 AM
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@ timizo, some of us felt alarm bells ringing first when the duo teamed up, then when kutender insisted on these plum dockets. The only reason why someone would insist on occupying such dockets is to plunder and reward his cronies. But I always thought I believe had the strength of character to 'convert' kutender. We were mistaken. That's why baks disowned the Mou immediately he got into statehouse.
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tycho
#47 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:01:03 AM
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limanika wrote:
@ timizo, some of us felt alarm bells ringing first when the duo teamed up, then when kutender insisted on these plum dockets. The only reason why someone would insist on occupying such dockets is to plunder and reward his cronies. But I always thought I believe had the strength of character to 'convert' kutender. We were mistaken. That's why baks disowned the Mou immediately he got into statehouse.


Will someone admit that the urgency of 'solving' the ICC problem and 'dissolving' PEV was one of the major factors behind the last 'screw up'? And that even now it's the main dish?
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Boris Boyka
#48 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:41:06 AM
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tycho wrote:
limanika wrote:
@ timizo, some of us felt alarm bells ringing first when the duo teamed up, then when kutender insisted on these plum dockets. The only reason why someone would insist on occupying such dockets is to plunder and reward his cronies. But I always thought I believe had the strength of character to 'convert' kutender. We were mistaken. That's why baks disowned the Mou immediately he got into statehouse.


Will someone admit that the urgency of 'solving' the ICC problem and 'dissolving' PEV was one of the major factors behind the last 'screw up'? And that even now it's the main dish?

Applause Applause Applause The ICC thorn made the duo birds of the same feathers and thus had to flow together! Were it not of the ICC I doubt the two would be together. Team selfie then discovered that to beat Hague they needed a lot of influence in people,institutions and other nations thus they MUST be in power to achieve it. This involves BILLIONS which kamwana had and secured his freedom. As kutender discovered money could buy anything including freedom and he's not yet Uhuru, he needs the billions as the future isn't certain. I pray they dismiss the case soonest. That bond of ICC will disappear and things will fall apart as the center won't hold.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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FRM2011
#49 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:47:32 AM
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timizo wrote:
limanika wrote:
@Harry now we're talking but that's not complete solution. We need to know why i believe never saw this coming right from day 1


I saw it coming immediately the results were announced. Kenya had a chance to save this country when a number of options that could be trusted presented themselves for election to lead this country. We however opted to give over 90% of the vote to the two worst options.

When the prince picked kutender as the running mate, I thought.... He is either like him and approves his behaviour when it come to public property which is public knowledge (from the days of Youth for Kanu 92, Ngong Forest, Processional way, IDP Land, Airport Land, Railway Land - Just a little of what we know, or the prince was too desperate to be President that he did not mind who he teamed up with. I had also not forgotten that before Kibaki took power, Farmers in Nyandarua preferred to milk and pour the Milk just to relieve their animals. A company related with the prince was paying peanuts to farmers because KCC had been killed. Some machines had also been taken from KCC Kiganjo in Nyeri by we know who. Based on that, I decided they will not have my vote even when everyone else was giving them.

Kutender actually negotiated for Finance, Agriculture and Energy dockets before the elections as one of the conditions to team up with Uhuru. Remember he was also negotiating with Raila and no one was sure who he would team up with. Uhuru it appears gave him a sweeter deal and Raila had to go for Kalonzo.
Of course Cord was a no no. They would compete with the current team or even be worse.

What do we really look for when we go to that ballot box? May be our only interest is our tribes-man.

I think ignorant, stupid and foolish may be the word to describe the average Kenyan voter.


@timizo, Applause Applause Applause

The biggest threat to this nation's prosperity is the voters themselves. Even here on wazua, they were still telling us jubilee will rule until 2032. They have just realised there might not be anything left by kutender team by 2017 and now they want to throw their partner under the bus.

Anytime I think of the Kenyan voter, the picture that comes to mind is a chimp,high on weed, walking into TRM holding a machine gun.
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tycho
#50 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:22:13 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
tycho wrote:
limanika wrote:
@ timizo, some of us felt alarm bells ringing first when the duo teamed up, then when kutender insisted on these plum dockets. The only reason why someone would insist on occupying such dockets is to plunder and reward his cronies. But I always thought I believe had the strength of character to 'convert' kutender. We were mistaken. That's why baks disowned the Mou immediately he got into statehouse.


Will someone admit that the urgency of 'solving' the ICC problem and 'dissolving' PEV was one of the major factors behind the last 'screw up'? And that even now it's the main dish?

Applause Applause Applause The ICC thorn made the duo birds of the same feathers and thus had to flow together! Were it not of the ICC I doubt the two would be together. Team selfie then discovered that to beat Hague they needed a lot of influence in people,institutions and other nations thus they MUST be in power to achieve it. This involves BILLIONS which kamwana had and secured his freedom. As kutender discovered money could buy anything including freedom and he's not yet Uhuru, he needs the billions as the future isn't certain. I pray they dismiss the case soonest. That bond of ICC will disappear and things will fall apart as the center won't hold.


If one looks at the history of Kenya, he/she is likely to notice a number of things:

1. Nationalism was an idea that came with 'assimilation' into the European political way of life

2. As long as Kenya fit in with the global scheme, what happened within didn't really matter

3. Points 1 and 2 created space for corruption and a tendency for loyalists to cling to power

4. Elections and the democratic process have been subverted to meet the above aims

These factors were disturbed in 2007 and PEV happened. From before independence Jaramogi was no loyalist to the global system, and even now, his son can't be trusted. But Ruto and c can. His 'father' had already proved it. And everyone has a price ...

The game pattern isn't about to break. If the cases are dropped Ruto may end up being a liability to the loyalists interests- and he probably knows it - he needs to 'hedge' and it's allowed as per the rules of the game.

Finally, most of this talk here is posturing and carthasis. Nothing more.

The game will continue as the global elite demand.
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