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Imperial Bank Bond- 15 %
lisaox
#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:04:31 AM
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@Speculz yeah, what did you know?? The bond closed about a month ago only.... Blame CBK and CMA, how did this happen under their watch?
Boris Boyka
#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:14:31 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Speculz wrote:
dunkang wrote:
xtina wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Am getting very interested.

with bonds when does one earn the interest , is it after maturity , does compounding work here ?


My 2 cents.
It should be specified in the Information Memorandum or whatever it is called in the bonds section.

There are those that pay quarterly and those that pay annually.

At the end of the period, in the case of Imperial Bank its 5.25 years, you get your full money back plus the interest accrued between the last payment and the "end" date.

And on compounding, i am yet to see such an arrangement.

If a bank pulled a Dubai bank after issuing a bond , what would happen?

@Speculz That was my concern Exactly.


Any investment is a risk. All we need to do is evaluate the "riskiness" and the "profit" from an investment.

A look at Imperial Bank website reveals the following;

The Board of Directors consists of:
-------- Name (Nationality) --------- Position
Mr. Alnashir Popat (Kenyan) --------- Chairman
Mr. Abdulmalek Janmohamed (Kenyan) -- Group Managing Director
Mr. Anwar Hajee (Kenyan) ------------ Non-Executive
Mr. Jinit Shah (Kenyan) ------------- Non-Executive
Mr. Mukesh Patel (Kenyan) ----------- Non-Executive
Mr. Vishnu Dhutia (Kenyan) ---------- Non-Executive
Mr. Hanif Somji (Kenyan) ------------ Non-Executive

Directors and Managers
Name ------------------- Position
Abdulmalek Janmohamed -- Group Managing Director
Naeem Shah ------------- Head of Credit
Nina Shah -------------- Head of Treasury
James Kaburu ----------- Chief Finance Officer
Sanjeet Shah ----------- Head of Corporate Banking
Kalpesh Jotangia ------- Head of Retail Banking
Anil Shah -------------- Head of Internal Audit
Muthoni Wachira -------- Head of Marketing & Communications
Don Ochola ------------- Head of IT
Ikua Gacheche ---------- Head of Human Resources
Naushad Haleem --------- Head of Operations
Mehbooba Shamji -------- Senior Business Development Manager
Vishvesh Shah ---------- Unit Area Manager – Nairobi
Mustaq Dar ------------- Unit Area Manager – Mombasa and Diani

Correct me if am wrong, but, Janmohamed is in very many boards of listed companies. Alnashir Popat is a serial investor. I can trust these two fellows.

Our concerns were genuine. Shame on you
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Mart_Consult
#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:26:40 PM
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Hmm, so it truly was a junk bond... d'oh!
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
muganda
#24 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:31:31 PM
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Mart_Consult wrote:
Hmm, so it truly was a junk bond... d'oh!

Some positive noises from CMA, and further reassurances from CBK. Are you reassured?
streetwise
#25 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:50:13 PM
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Ni kubaya
instinct
#26 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:18:10 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Speculz wrote:
dunkang wrote:
xtina wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Am getting very interested.

with bonds when does one earn the interest , is it after maturity , does compounding work here ?


My 2 cents.
It should be specified in the Information Memorandum or whatever it is called in the bonds section.

There are those that pay quarterly and those that pay annually.

At the end of the period, in the case of Imperial Bank its 5.25 years, you get your full money back plus the interest accrued between the last payment and the "end" date.

And on compounding, i am yet to see such an arrangement.

If a bank pulled a Dubai bank after issuing a bond , what would happen?

@Speculz That was my concern Exactly.


Speculz wewe ni mchawi!
Impunity
#27 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:41:09 PM
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Speculz wrote:
dunkang wrote:
xtina wrote:
streetwise wrote:
Am getting very interested.

with bonds when does one earn the interest , is it after maturity , does compounding work here ?


My 2 cents.
It should be specified in the Information Memorandum or whatever it is called in the bonds section.

There are those that pay quarterly and those that pay annually.

At the end of the period, in the case of Imperial Bank its 5.25 years, you get your full money back plus the interest accrued between the last payment and the "end" date.

And on compounding, i am yet to see such an arrangement.

If a bank pulled a Dubai bank after issuing a bond , what would happen?



Hapa naona ulikuwa kama Elijah, the prophet!!!

Pray Pray Pray
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Mart_Consult
#28 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:08:44 PM
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muganda wrote:
Mart_Consult wrote:
Hmm, so it truly was a junk bond... d'oh!

Some positive noises from CMA, and further reassurances from CBK. Are you reassured?


Listing aside, was the bond a panacea of sorts? After facts emerge (as they shall), what happens? Downgraded rating, some bondholders looking to sell with no willing takers? Hiked interest rate (was it fixed or flexi?)

Elders, educate us on more likely follow- through/up actions from a bond investor perspective..
I went into the (Ferry) industry knowing the same thing I knew with all other businesses I went into- Nothing. Then I built it from there. - Sheldon Adelson (Titans at the Table- Giants of Macau)
murchr
#29 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:23:51 PM
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lisaox wrote:
@Speculz yeah, what did you know?? The bond closed about a month ago only.... Blame CBK and CMA, how did this happen under their watch?


Bond listing suspended Pray
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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streetwise
#30 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:24:30 PM
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Always buy what you know .. did you really know Imperial bank
muganda
#31 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 2:18:07 PM
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A concerning note on the junk bond

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