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alma1
#281 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 12:55:41 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
maka wrote:
Now its KNUTs time to disobey court orders....The teachers eat that Sept salo then issue a fresh notice.



PERFECT!


This is what we call funny.

KNUT will tell their teachers to go to class. but the gov't already closed schools. Gov't won't pay the teachers as declared by the courts.

And we are back to squaure 1

Even with arbitration this gov't won't follow the law. ohhh they will. Once they get 1 judge to rule in their favor.

Now that's speaking volumes about the application of law in this country. And you wonder why people had rather give out hongo.
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masukuma
#282 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 1:11:04 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Interesting talks on the future of education - quite thought provoking... we are actually on the cusp of shifts in movements of what valuable education should be about. If you think about it - everyone agrees that we are teaching our kids wrong, we are 'testing' them wrong. e.t.c


We could also ask when an education is valuable.

An education is important... but it should be on life skills. Let me give you a couple of ideas or example that come to mind.
example 1 - content being learnt:
In primary school we used to have interesting things called Multiplication Tables - remember that book? so we had to cram those things. We had another called Log Tables... Now come to the world we live in... I will introduce you to a person who uses a similar skill - the supermarket cashier. The process goes something like this...
Beep... Beep...Beep... Then you look at a screen that says 2400. You go to your pocket and you extract 3 1k notes and give to her... she keys in 3000 and the gadget tells her 600. it then opens the cash drawer and she picks 2 - 300 shilling notes and gives them to you. She does this all day! What skills are important to her? If you look back... in the 18th century the students were taught 3 classes
I found this material here
1) English - the curriculum was
Quote:
First (or lowest) Class - English grammar; spelling, reading Croxall's Fables and little stories
Second Class - Reading, with proper emphasis and modulation; Spectator recommended; meaning of sentences; grammar
Third Class - Speaking properly and gracefully; elements of rhetoric; "Rollin's Ancient and Roman Histories" and English history used as readers; "natural and mechanic history," as in Spectacle de la Nature
Fourth Class - Composition, boys to write letters to one another, penmanship, ethics, history, geography, use of maps and globes
Fifth Class - Letter writing, essays in prose and verse, logic
Sixth (or highest) Class - History, rhetoric, logic, moral and natural philosophy - all these continued; reading and explaining the best English authors, as Tillotson, Milton, Locke, Addison, Pope, Swift, "the higher papers in the Spectator and Guardian," and "the best translations of Homer, Virgil and Horace, of Telemachus, Travels of Cyrus, etc.


maths was
Quote:
first stage - description of the globe
second stage - use of the globe, including longitude and latitude, location of the sun in the ecliptic for any specific day, and time differentiation
third stage - continuation of the subjects in the second stage
fourth stage - trigonometry


Then they had this thing called 'Latin' and it's curriculum was
Quote:
First form or stage - included grammar and conjugation, vocabulary, and beginning of writing in Latin. Readings were Senentiae Pueriles, Cordery, Aesop and Erasmus. English writing, reading and speaking were continued as well.
Second stage - included Latin grammar, exercises and writing. Readings were Selectae e veteri Testamento, Selectae e Profanis Auctoribus, Eurtopius, Nepos, and Metamorphosis.
Third stage - included geography and chronology as well as exercises and writing. Readings were Metamorphosis (cont.), Virgil with Parsody, Caesar's Comment, Sallust, Greek Testament.
Fourth stage - included review of Virgil, reading of Horace, Terence, Livy, Lucian, and the beginning of Xenophon or Homer.


An educated person could become one of few things.. a lawyer, an accountant or a merchant. All these skills were important!

example 2 - structure of learning:
the workplace in 1910 was something like this




in this setup we needed everyone to do as they were told... no room for creativity! kinda like a KFC kitchen... You don't want a creative KFC cook!

The class today looks like this


and the most constructive part of work looks like this

or


whenever adults do what is seen in our classrooms it is usually something like this
<- have you ever seen anything interesting come out of this type of setup? I quite frankly find that i need lots of coffee to make me survive one of these sessions.

I put it to you that we are teaching our kids the wrong things in the wrong way! if you notice - I am sure your kids hustle you over devices - right? your phone... your tablet. I am sure if you are like any parent you tried to give them those chinese fake phones and they were dismissed and they want your phone. The moment I step at home and after the rituals of hugging and stuff - my kids always want my phone! (Windows Phone OS has a child area - coz they know you are fighting a losing a battle). If you are generous and you give them a phone to play with you will notice that they will figure things out for themselves - right? and what happens in the morning? you yank the device from their hands and put them in a bus to go to school and they hate school (except breaktime coz they interact and get creative during that period). The cycle repeats itself. Have you noticed that kids hate School and Church? why? they have to do unnatural things then... stay stationary and quiet for long periods of time.
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nakujua
#283 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 1:48:56 PM
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masukuma wrote:

... You don't want a creative KFC cook!

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AlphDoti
#284 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 2:24:41 PM
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nakujua wrote:
masukuma wrote:

... You don't want a creative KFC cook!

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Good piece @ma-veg Laughing out loudly Applause
Muheani
#285 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 7:34:36 PM
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Watoto wote warudi shule Jumatatu..Serikali Yasema.
tycho
#286 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 8:39:11 PM
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A child can be enthused to learn anything @masukuma. Most of what you're saying fits into the 'constructivist' approach to learning - and I'm a fan of this method.

But reality is a social construct, and power may not be so evenly distributed, or it's benefits universal. The experience you've shared above may as well be a tether, or a prison.
masukuma
#287 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2015 9:00:03 PM
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tycho wrote:
A child can be enthused to learn anything @masukuma. Most of what you're saying fits into the 'constructivist' approach to learning - and I'm a fan of this method.

But reality is a social construct, and power may not be so evenly distributed, or it's benefits universal. The experience you've shared above may as well be a tether, or a prison.

the guy gives an analogy... transport...
1800 when people needed to move - they had to get a carriage. it had a driver
cars got invented... the passengers started 'driving' themselves - not without drama as they invented things like drunken driving and more regulation was required.
now we are seeing automated models where there are no drivers.... the passengers just go where they need to go.

could that happen with education?
now - we need to get an education we have 'teachers'
soon - we need to get an education... we educate ourselves
future - no need for education lol! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Anyway... It just opened my eyes on the role of the 'instructor' in learning.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#288 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:22:11 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
A child can be enthused to learn anything @masukuma. Most of what you're saying fits into the 'constructivist' approach to learning - and I'm a fan of this method.

But reality is a social construct, and power may not be so evenly distributed, or it's benefits universal. The experience you've shared above may as well be a tether, or a prison.

the guy gives an analogy... transport...
1800 when people needed to move - they had to get a carriage. it had a driver
cars got invented... the passengers started 'driving' themselves - not without drama as they invented things like drunken driving and more regulation was required.
now we are seeing automated models where there are no drivers.... the passengers just go where they need to go.

could that happen with education?
now - we need to get an education we have 'teachers'
soon - we need to get an education... we educate ourselves
future - no need for education lol! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Anyway... It just opened my eyes on the role of the 'instructor' in learning.


I like your projections. I'm wondering for example, what's education really? Can a time come when education will no longer be necessary? Certainly if that would be the case, then there'd be neither birth nor death among other interesting conditions. Like say, advanced Cyborg systems. But I have a feeling all this is possible.
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