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Govt closses all schools
Othelo
#231 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 5:33:25 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Quoting Moi just spoils the whole letter and thread! That man killed Kenya!!!

guilt by association as an ad hominem fallacy! just because he dropped the ball does not mean each of his words lack merit.

Enshrined 'deal making' into Kenyans' heads. Translates into coruption and sealing everywhere in Kenya!!! We are yet to recover!!!
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T-Bag
#232 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 5:37:40 PM
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MO1 my foot! He owns more private schools worth more that all public primary schools put together.My son went to another St. Bakhita Kindergarten and no questions were asked!
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newfarer
#233 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 8:13:05 PM
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limanika
#234 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 8:53:31 PM
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Did I read the katiba right. It doesn't give anyone responsibility not tsc, not psc, not src, not gok to set teachers salaries. Actually there was no need to, their salaries existed before promulgation. But katiba gave src the duty to advise govt on matters concerning remuneration of all public servants. So What's the problem???
hardwood
#235 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 9:04:19 PM
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T-Bag wrote:
MO1 my foot! He owns more private schools worth more that all public primary schools put together.My son went to another St. Bakhita Kindergarten and no questions were asked!


He built the schools using public funds, staffed them with TSC teachers, then after retirement claimed they were private schools.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...70/-/unedp3/-/index.html
washiku
#236 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:43:33 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Othelo wrote:

This has been pulled ot to support the harmonization crap we are being feed on. TSC employees are alos civil servants in Kenya, ama? Arent they part of SRC Sarah Serem failures?

The way I understand it is that there are 'Public Officers' and 'State Officers'. Sarah Serem sets salos for 'State Officers' and can 'RECOMMEND' salos for 'Public Officers'. Teachers are 'Public Officers'


By the way what was the wisdom in separating the two, now that they both draw their monies from the tax payer?
Othelo
#237 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:47:00 AM
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washiku wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Othelo wrote:

This has been pulled ot to support the harmonization crap we are being feed on. TSC employees are alos civil servants in Kenya, ama? Arent they part of SRC Sarah Serem failures?

The way I understand it is that there are 'Public Officers' and 'State Officers'. Sarah Serem sets salos for 'State Officers' and can 'RECOMMEND' salos for 'Public Officers'. Teachers are 'Public Officers'


By the way what was the wisdom in separating the two, now that they both draw their monies from the tax payer?

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Wendz
#238 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:26:04 PM
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shocks wrote:
winston wrote:
Just thinking that this is how its going to play out:

Step one - Gova continues its hard line stance - cant pay wont pay. Teachers continue with their stand 'cant increase wont teach'. Status quo remains till exams (administered by NYS, army, prison warders, police, etc) are over in early/mid november.

Step two - Gova moves to sack all the teachers except headmasters. With no salaries for september, october (and no loan deductions remittances from August till october) the heat of liabilities is now on the teachers - rent, loans etc have to be paid. The average teacher becomes desperate.

Step three - Gova advertises to employ teachers (both old and new) and employs them on a new contract (not subject to the court order of 50-60%) and includes a clause that no deductions or remittances will be made to the unions. Each teacher to send contributions directly (or better still outlaws unions or categorizes teachers in same bracket as police officers - essential services not allowed to form unions).

Step four - teachers take government to court for arrears of 50-60% since 2013 to time of sacking. Government obeys the new order and pays.

Step five. Schools are re-opened in December with old/new teachers.

Net effect - (1) Uhuru vs Sossion (or as some may want to mis-brand it uhuru vs raila) battle is won by uhuru; (2) New contract of employment not subject to 50-60% increment...gova can pay - economy is not hurt and salary structure is not distorted (3) Knut/Kuppet - weaken due to collection of contribution woes/ die off/Outlawed.


Anyway just my thoughts.

will only happen if an opinion poll indicates that public support has shifted from teachers side to uhurus side, remember uhuru is still a politician and needs votes in 2018


If you ask me, we as the general public are failing ourselves. This is not the time to take sides. it is the time to get everyone do what they ought to do. The teachers should sign that performance contract. we can have teachers who have the "they wont fall in my compound" attitude" and show so much passion when asking for money.... why dont we see the same teachers so passionate when the students perform so badly in exams?

and the government shouldnt pay any more higher salaries. we cant afford them. Personally, i am not ready to pay more in taxes. I am already over taxed.... whatever the government does, this nonsense has to stop.

And someone tell Sossion that house and travel allowance are also paid by the government so last nights show of one line of statement was a fail... we'd seen the basic pay and allowances too.
mnjoro
#239 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:50:23 PM
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Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you As we thumb chest we should acknowledge that we already have idle teenagers at home.By the time the teachers agree to go back to class some damage somewhere will already be done.If you asked me right now most kids are watching those vulgar music programmes while others on facebook,whatsup etc.Unlike during the holidays where most parents normally have a set programme for their kids.For those boasting the private schools are learning(my kids included) we will be creating social caste wars "ex private versus ex public students" which unfortunately will be replayed once the public secondary schools open.
Thus this thing to me is very big cause for worry.
Anti_Burglar
#240 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:53:45 PM
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Overfed individuals insisting food cannot be shared ati the wage bill will be too high when they themselves swing in their swivel seats earning more than their effort's worth.

And

Irresponsible parents who cannot guide their child through a subtopic at home because another parent does not want to teach.
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