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Motion on 50% salary reduction
Alba
#21 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 5:36:20 PM
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Inflated salaries for MPs are at the root of the wage bill problems. Everyone wants a huge salary because they see what MPs are getting. This would be an opportunity for the public to stand together and demand action. But most Kenyans are more concerned with ensuring their tribe is in power. We are largely to blame to blame for the quagmire we are in
masukuma
#22 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 5:51:39 PM
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Alba wrote:
Inflated salaries for MPs are at the root of the wage bill problems. Everyone wants a huge salary because they see what MPs are getting. This would be an opportunity for the public to stand together and demand action. But most Kenyans are more concerned with ensuring their tribe is in power. We are largely to blame to blame for the quagmire we are in

You we doing so well... but you just had to spoil it at the end... but you are right everyone wants a piece of the cake coz they see everyone else taking large servings and stories of how some cake was eaten in the kitchen they are being told "hakuna Keki ya kutosha"
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Boris Boyka
#23 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 6:42:42 PM
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masukuma wrote:
nakujua wrote:
oltome wrote:
washiku wrote:
Okay, we all know it cant go through. Let's pretend it will go through for a minute. How much money will be raised by the move?

Best case scenario.


How can a CEC earn a whoping 500k for basically doing nothing, most of those positions are filled by Governor's cronies and mpango's...Same for MCA's alot of money for no substantive work. This is absolute bullshit.

I used to think that way kitambo, how can my manager earn all that cash and all they do is sit in the office and I get to do all the work, I also thought paying an accountant ore than me was unfair since all they did was look at receipts.

Also some guards complain why the boss gets to sleep in the big house and yet all they do is drive off in the morning and drive back in the evening and the guard gets to bite the cold and deal with the dangers. smile

ni kuzoea kazi manual! To many kazi ngumu inalipwa pesa mingi! The way I look at salaries is - it should increase with decision making and the repercussions of those decisions! Kama decision yako ni where to slash today or from what end to start cleaning the office today - uko na shida!... I don't think Bob Collymore is a super user of MPESA or knows how to use all those short codes or USSD services or has ever scratched a scratch card - I would be surprised if he sends money using MPESA... However he makes really important decisions and that is why we pay him the big bucks. This payment system is so that we don't have excuses! When things go south - we go for your head! It has happened that 2 times my mdosis took the hit for product failure and product delays - why? Did they even understand the code I wrote? nope...They make the big bucks! so that is why I don't see people going around asking or hashtagging the manager in Treasuryho wires the funds to TSC or even petitioning Rotich to release the money! They petition Uhuru...

Anybody who has done Maslow's hierarchy pyramid then did Organizational theory should understand the pyramid science. It applies to Risk, work(totality) and renumeration. These increase up the pyramid. Survival for fittest on your way up!
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Alba
#24 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 7:48:49 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
Inflated salaries for MPs are at the root of the wage bill problems. Everyone wants a huge salary because they see what MPs are getting. This would be an opportunity for the public to stand together and demand action. But most Kenyans are more concerned with ensuring their tribe is in power. We are largely to blame to blame for the quagmire we are in

You we doing so well... but you just had to spoil it at the end... but you are right everyone wants a piece of the cake coz they see everyone else taking large servings and stories of how some cake was eaten in the kitchen they are being told "hakuna Keki ya kutosha"


But what should we as Kenyans be doing about this?
Rollins
#25 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 8:20:28 PM
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The motion does notmake sense at all. Just someone trying to steal the limelight.
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tycho
#26 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2015 9:37:03 PM
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The masses are probably the 'baboons' here for thinking that equality can be achieved via pay cuts. The masses are being 'anaesthesized' while their organs are harvested for the benefit of the elite.

This story is about how our political and economic systems are designed and work. Our capitalist systems encourage every commodity to be over priced, and because capital is mostly concentrated among a few persons, politics becomes a means of mass control and deception. By calling Ababu a baboon, and paying him for it, and if we're so incensed vote him out, we are unwittingly affirming the cause of 'our' affliction.

The big task is on the masses changing their thinking about how they meet their needs, how they create value and distribute it. It's the kind of responsibility that many would like to delegate to others. Why? My guess is because humans have only been able to build their knowledge and power incrementally, different humans have different subjective experiences, and the costs of maintaining society through elaborate organization and mostly hard labor. This lowers the number of elites relative to total population.

But can conditions shift to facilitate more people being aware of their power in whatever station or class? I believe we're living in such conditions. That wazua can create a collective and interactive intelligence despite physical distance and constraints is evidence enough for this.

Our institutions are failing because the thinking behind them is ineffective.
Coolio
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:21:02 AM
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Will this motion see the light of the day?
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KulaRaha
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:56:58 AM
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Coolio wrote:
Will this motion see the light of the day?


It will never happen.

Foolish Kenyans, keep voting for idiots and expected miracles!

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:58:17 AM
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kelly04 wrote:
maka wrote:
oltome wrote:
washiku wrote:
Okay, we all know it cant go through. Let's pretend it will go through for a minute. How much money will be raised by the move?

Best case scenario.


How can a CEC earn a whoping 500k for basically doing nothing, most of those positions are filled by Governor's cronies and mpango's...Same for MCA's alot of money for no substantive work. This is absolute bullshit.


Kenya for you...


These salaries are not true. For example CEC's dont earn the much indicated herein.



Think the figures are understated, if the sitting allowances and other allowances are added the figure will double or tripple. Also add the cost of useless fact finding trips abroad and retreats to mombasa.

Also add the billions 'retired' MCAs are asking for.

But we all know that nothing will change
kiash
#30 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:05:02 AM
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This +

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...px?g=posts&m=683484

= teacher's pay.

Even if this does not go through, ill just laugh.This is because no one will move a finger.This boils down to elections and people who vote. The middle class who do not care will send their kids to private schools which will now reopen. The poor guys will continue waiting and praying and if a miracle happens the kids will go back to school.They will then wait for some political meetings and attend since thay are idle and will go back home hungry and this will continue every year and after they will vote for more hungry goons.



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