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Centum pays out KSH 1 billion to employees
mlennyma
#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 12:57:37 PM
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At this rate the employees will become very rich,leave the company and start their own business ventures
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Othelo
#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 1:01:44 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
At this rate the employees will become very rich,leave the company and start their own business ventures

Cytonn comes to mind!!!
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ngapat
#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:19:31 PM
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This does not sound good. The company has frozen dividends yet it is paying employees a sum that can pay a dividend of kshs 1.5 per share to all shareholders.
There are other ways of rewarding employees like Employee share ownership programs (ESOP) rather that those extra ordinary cash sums.

Some of the profits comes from fair value gains on disposal of assets which does not reflect employees hard work and such gains should be excluded when rewarding them.

They should also set a limit to the amount that can be paid other wise there will be cooking of books to maximise the bonuses. A billion is too much
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streetwise
#24 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:39:10 PM
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Precisely, the employee are earning more than the shareholders over any amount of time for investing only their time.

Let’s recheck this in the future but I smell a rat
alotoftalk
#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:46:24 PM
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In principal I am 100% in agreement with this mode of compensation. It keeps the employees on their toes.

What I don't agree with is the payment in cash. This is not an investment bank, hedge/VC/PE fund where the employees are partners rather the capital they are employing belongs to the shareholders not the employees.Should anything go wrong the employees and management will have their cash and the shareholder all the downside.

Why should they be paid in cash while shareholders are asked to wait for capital gains or sell a portion in case they need cash dividend equivalent?

They should be paid in shares vesting over 3-5 years. This way their interests will be truly aligned with those of the shareholders.

On the bright side the CEO is a key shareholder;truly aligned with the rest of the shareholders.
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heri
#26 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:04:26 PM
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alotoftalk wrote:
In principal I am 100% in agreement with this mode of compensation. It keeps the employees on their toes.

What I don't agree with is the payment in cash. This is not an investment bank, hedge/VC/PE fund where the employees are partners rather the capital they are employing belongs to the shareholders not the employees.Should anything go wrong the employees and management will have their cash and the shareholder all the downside.

Why should they be paid in cash while shareholders are asked to wait for capital gains or sell a portion in case they need cash dividend equivalent?

They should be paid in shares vesting over 3-5 years. This way their interests will be truly aligned with those of the shareholders.

On the bright side the CEO is a key shareholder;truly aligned with the rest of the shareholders.


Yeah bright side but only to some extent. With the kind of bonuses he is getting +salary per month+ time value of money benefit, do you think even if the share price does not do so well, he will lose as much?

In any case, 3-5 years down the road if he smells disaster, he will be the first one to offload with the benefit of insider info

The shareholder here can easily get screwed

ngapat
#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:13:15 PM
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Its clear that a company that pays small or no dividends tends to be avoided by investors and hence the share price remains depressed (kplc,kenya-re).
So Kirubi and co could be fleezing dividend payments to end interests for the shares from investors and keep the share price depressed.

They then reward themselves with cash bonuses which they use to buy the depressed shares.
In the end they will end up with the whole company with out spending a dime.

So all the dividends share holders are sacrificing will end up with the old DJ.
I'll be selling shares of amount equivalent to what i invested tomorrow.
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alotoftalk
#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:56:31 PM
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heri wrote:
alotoftalk wrote:
In principal I am 100% in agreement with this mode of compensation. It keeps the employees on their toes.

What I don't agree with is the payment in cash. This is not an investment bank, hedge/VC/PE fund where the employees are partners rather the capital they are employing belongs to the shareholders not the employees.Should anything go wrong the employees and management will have their cash and the shareholder all the downside.

Why should they be paid in cash while shareholders are asked to wait for capital gains or sell a portion in case they need cash dividend equivalent?

They should be paid in shares vesting over 3-5 years. This way their interests will be truly aligned with those of the shareholders.

On the bright side the CEO is a key shareholder;truly aligned with the rest of the shareholders.


Yeah bright side but only to some extent. With the kind of bonuses he is getting +salary per month+ time value of money benefit, do you think even if the share price does not do so well, he will lose as much?

In any case, 3-5 years down the road if he smells disaster, he will be the first one to offload with the benefit of insider info

The shareholder here can easily get screwed



He's KES 200MM skin in the game. A decline of 10% hits him with KES 20MM. That will screw him unless he's a billionaire plus.

Though if I go as per @ngapat's theory the cash bonuses will soon make him one of the top owners while other shareholders wait for their capital gains or losses.

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dunkang
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:03:21 PM
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Does this company belong to the employees or the shareholders.

That board needs to be thoroughly investigated. Or the employees are their mistresses and family members.
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target1360
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:14:55 PM
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i didnt think that i d see another uchumi this openly.

this news will. cause massive exists of shareholders depressing the shares which the big boys will take up.if wanjikus dont sell then they l keep getting shafted.either way the big boys win.
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