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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 503
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Hi Wazuans. I hope this thread belongs here but i stand to be collected. I have some boys hand digging for me a shallow well in shags. They are past 100 ft but have been encountering 'gas' challenge. Apparently there is a gas that seeps from the crust and it can be choking so digging is very slow. Anyone know ho the gas is dealt with. They have been using banana stalks but its not too much. Where are the wizened ones to help out a brother! Even a BrOKeN clock is right twice a day
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 503
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Eeerm....watu wasaidie mimi. Hapana kusoma na kusangaa tu Even a BrOKeN clock is right twice a day
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems. There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 503
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hardwood wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas. Now that sounds like an idea Even a BrOKeN clock is right twice a day
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Rollins wrote:hardwood wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas. Now that sounds like an idea @hardwood...your arguement is fallacious...pumping in air into the hole will be a waste of time. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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You could work in shifts and recommend the workers take deep breaths and water when on break. Then cheer them on, give them energy and sense of purpose.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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Buy them oxygen masks If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Is 90ft really shallow? Seems too dangerous to me. Stop digging until you get expert opinion. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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It may require that you abandon the well as the identity of the gas is not know. For example, if the gas is bio in nature, then the gas could be a mix of methane and sulpfur dioxide. sulphur dioxide smells like rotten eggs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 503
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majimaji wrote: It may require that you abandon the well as the identity of the gas is not know. For example, if the gas is bio in nature, then the gas could be a mix of methane and sulpfur dioxide. sulphur dioxide smells like rotten eggs.
I have already invested substantially in this project and also in dire need of water. This is the only viable source at the moment so i am not about to give up.... Will try the tycho idea and see where it gets me. The average depth of wells in that area ranges from 95-120 ft so its basically within grasp Even a BrOKeN clock is right twice a day
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2011 Posts: 391 Location: Nairobi
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Rollins wrote:majimaji wrote: It may require that you abandon the well as the identity of the gas is not know. For example, if the gas is bio in nature, then the gas could be a mix of methane and sulpfur dioxide. sulphur dioxide smells like rotten eggs.
I have already invested substantially in this project and also in dire need of water. This is the only viable source at the moment so i am not about to give up.... Will try the tycho idea and see where it gets me. The average depth of wells in that area ranges from 95-120 ft so its basically within grasp Identify the gas first , you may be courting disaster .... , you might have Hydrogen sulfide , and you may end up drinking hydrosulfuric acid , invest in litmus paper and do a litmus test. fyi : Above gas is poisonous and corrosive oh plus explosive too. "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" - Stephen Wright
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/9/2012 Posts: 576
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Even if you get to the water it might not help,it might be too salty Africa belongs to Africans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas. Seriously?? .Go back to your chem teacher and ask for a refund. . I would go with having the gas identified first especially for toxicity and combustibility.You see,it might take one strike on a rock and Ka-boom,explosion. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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That problem is very common with hand dug wells in my area too (Githunguri). Our well is 140ft (42m) deep and was done in the early 90s (~1993). What they do is dig for a maximum fifteen minutes a day. They also leave the well open throughout and throw some leaves inside (I believe this has something to do with photosynthesis i.e. CO2 + Water (in the presence of light) = Oxygen + Glucose. I just can't find a sustainable better way of doing this water mining in the rural areas. Options are; i. Make the well very wide (5m diameter) - The project would be very costly ii. Buy those scuba diver oxygen tanks for the diggers - Cost may go up. Also, you don't want to add a load to the person down there, iii. Mechanize the process - Cost may be a problem. You would need a heavy bit (Tarimbo) been dropped down and lifted continuously. Just ensure that the tarimbo does not snap when someone is inside removing the broken rocks. iv. Abandon the project and instal a water pump direct from the river. For sustainability, incorporate solar systems. #Just_My_2_Cents Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rollins wrote:Hi Wazuans. I hope this thread belongs here but i stand to be collected. I have some boys hand digging for me a shallow well in shags. They are past 100 ft but have been encountering 'gas' challenge. Apparently there is a gas that seeps from the crust and it can be choking so digging is very slow. Anyone know ho the gas is dealt with. They have been using banana stalks but its not too much. Where are the wizened ones to help out a brother!
Have the gas tested, maybe you have just stumbled upon a natural gas well
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Njung'e wrote:hardwood wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas. Seriously?? .Go back to your chem teacher and ask for a refund. . I would go with having the gas identified first especially for toxicity and combustibility.You see,it might take one strike on a rock and Ka-boom,explosion. Ngai baba!! Guka! You see at 100 feet below the surface the surrounding temperature in the hole is slightly higher (somewhere between 30 to 35 degrees centigrade. At this temperature and due to presence of wet soil the air inside that hole is pretty humid and this constitutes the water vapour gas. The so called gas in those shallow wells is mostly carbon dioxide and water vapour/humidity. The combined density of the gas mixture is close to 1.3 kg/cu.m. The air at the surface has a density equal to 1.2kg/cu.m which explains why there is no conventional air circulation in the hole and the denser gas mixture still remains in the hole. So, pumping in air will not displace the denser mixture in the hole, but rather the other way round. In Kenya, the various geological surveys that have been carried out that i am aware of have not confirmed any presence of mineral gases on the surface. Here, I say surface because 100ft compared to 21,000,000ft(distance to centre of earth) is negligible. Only areas around Longonot, Nakuru and Marigat where those gases (mostly hydrogen sulphide and traces of sulphur dioxide) are found in very small amounts at more than 4000ft below the surface. Back to the hole...At 100ft (30 metres) below the surface you have added another column of 30m above the normal atmospheric pressure...This may affect your breathing by making it a little difficult for you to breathe out. Hii mambo ingine ya sijui ya testing the gas ni pang'ngá tupu. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Kaigangio wrote:[quote=Njung'e][quote=hardwood][quote=Kaigangio]
The so called gas in those shallow wells is mostly carbon dioxide and water vapour/humidity. The combined density of the gas mixture is close to 1.3 kg/cu.m. The air at the surface has a density equal to 1.2kg/cu.m which explains why there is no conventional air circulation in the hole and the denser gas mixture still remains in the hole. So, pumping in air will not displace the denser mixture in the hole, but rather the other way round.
Exactly! Same reason we all know why C02 doesn't leave an open bottle unless you invert it....Maybe we should be telling Rollins how to invert his well Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Kaigangio wrote:Njung'e wrote:hardwood wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Hey chief, if your boys are already past 90 feet below the surface, they would better be careful not to stay in that hole for more than five minutes continuously in any digging session. Otherwise they may suffer some breathing problems.
There is nothing you can do about the gas unless of course you install an air pump to pump out the gas. But again if you do that, you might suck almost all the air in the hole and your boys will have nothing to breath in. The pump should blow fresh air in to displace the noxious gas. Seriously?? .Go back to your chem teacher and ask for a refund. . I would go with having the gas identified first especially for toxicity and combustibility.You see,it might take one strike on a rock and Ka-boom,explosion. Ngai baba!! Guka! You see at 100 feet below the surface the surrounding temperature in the hole is slightly higher (somewhere between 30 to 35 degrees centigrade. At this temperature and due to presence of wet soil the air inside that hole is pretty humid and this constitutes the water vapour gas. The so called gas in those shallow wells is mostly carbon dioxide and water vapour/humidity. The combined density of the gas mixture is close to 1.3 kg/cu.m. The air at the surface has a density equal to 1.2kg/cu.m which explains why there is no conventional air circulation in the hole and the denser gas mixture still remains in the hole. So, pumping in air will not displace the denser mixture in the hole, but rather the other way round. In Kenya, the various geological surveys that have been carried out that i am aware of have not confirmed any presence of mineral gases on the surface. Here, I say surface because 100ft compared to 21,000,000ft(distance to centre of earth) is negligible. Only areas around Longonot, Nakuru and Marigat where those gases (mostly hydrogen sulphide and traces of sulphur dioxide) are found in very small amounts at more than 4000ft below the surface. Back to the hole...At 100ft (30 metres) below the surface you have added another column of 30m above the normal atmospheric pressure...This may affect your breathing by making it a little difficult for you to breathe out. Hii mambo ingine ya sijui ya testing the gas ni pang'ngá tupu. very clear.you took over from mukiva
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