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2015 world athletics championships Beijing
Taurrus
#161 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 11:38:10 AM
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Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


Very hard mostly for EABL one,since the portrait is not actually his photo but a cartoon with a javelin.
Alba
#162 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 4:11:25 PM
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Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.
nakujua
#163 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 4:44:12 PM
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Alba wrote:
Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.

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masukuma
#164 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 4:48:14 PM
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nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.

inaka hivi.

not sure how that #teamKenya thing will work... when people "celebrate sportspeople"... coz this is one of these! technically they have not used Yego for branding.... they are just noting an achievement under that "teamKenya" thingy majig!
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murchr
#165 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 5:13:41 PM
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masukuma wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.

inaka hivi.

not sure how that #teamKenya thing will work... when people "celebrate sportspeople"... coz this is one of these! technically they have not used Yego for branding.... they are just noting an achievement under that "teamKenya" thingy majig!


He should sue. Jordan sued some company for using his likeness without consulting him and he was awarded $10M
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Njung'e
#166 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 5:13:50 PM
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masukuma wrote:
nakujua wrote:
[quote=Alba][quote=Njung'e]
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not sure how that #teamKenya thing will work... when people "celebrate sportspeople"... coz this is one of these! technically they have not used Yego for branding.... they are just noting an achievement under that "teamKenya" thingy majig!


Note the word "YEGOLD" on the flyer. I know it may mean anything or nothing but ain't it cheeky? A steakhouse tried such with Michael Jordan and were taken to court.They ended up paying Jordan close to 9M USD which he gladly gave to charity.His point in taking the steakhouse to court was to teach rogue firms a lesson.This one can stand!


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masukuma
#167 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 6:39:26 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.

inaka hivi.

not sure how that #teamKenya thing will work... when people "celebrate sportspeople"... coz this is one of these! technically they have not used Yego for branding.... they are just noting an achievement under that "teamKenya" thingy majig!


He should sue. Jordan sued some company for using his likeness without consulting him and he was awarded $10M

playing devil's advocate here.... does that look like the likeness of Yego? I think the only thing that he has claims on is YEGOld... but not the possibly shutterfly generic representation of a guy throwing a javelin.
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murchr
#168 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 6:42:02 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Alba wrote:
Njung'e wrote:

Were EABL and Co-op bank right to use Yego's images in their adverts? We all know those corporates don't care about sports and youths in Kenya.They are all more obsessed with bottom lines. Is it not in order for Yego to sue and teach them a lesson.


I haven't seen this. But EABL have a history of such shenanigans. Several years back, EABL tried to appropriate Dennis Oliech's likness without paying him. He rebelled and after a long battle, they finally stopped.

Companies should pay sportsmen. These guys have only a short period to earn money before their skills are no longer worth anything. Most superstars have a 3-4 year window to maximize their pay that is supposed to last a lifetime. Many do not have employable skills. If you want to succeed at a sport and make good money, you often have to quit school or leave your employment. Its often impossible to do both.

inaka hivi.

not sure how that #teamKenya thing will work... when people "celebrate sportspeople"... coz this is one of these! technically they have not used Yego for branding.... they are just noting an achievement under that "teamKenya" thingy majig!


He should sue. Jordan sued some company for using his likeness without consulting him and he was awarded $10M

playing devil's advocate here.... does that look like the likeness of Yego? I think the only thing that he has claims on is YEGOld... but not the possibly shutterfly generic representation of a guy throwing a javelin.


No one else won the Javelin Gold medal or holds the world leading record apart from YEGO.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Alba
#169 Posted : Monday, August 31, 2015 6:58:31 PM
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I don't know how the law works in Kenya but huko majuu that would be considered a a blatant appropriation of Yego's image. Tusker would lose in court.

When Tusker appropriated Oliech's image back in 2009, the law was on their side. But Oliech boycotted the national team and Tusker had to relent because the public turned against them. Yego may have no way to fight this other than public relations.

I say we should pay athletes like Yego in order to encourage other vijana vijana into events like these.

When I was in primary school, I had a classmate who was an amazing gymnast. During every prize giving day, the headmaster would ask him to entertain the crowd with his somersaults, backflips and other mambo jambo. he could even twist mid-air. Later we went to secondary school and though he was barely 6 feet, he could dunk a basketball.

He was a freak. He had amazing leaping ability, a very flexible spine, he was fearless when it came to contorting his body in mid-air. Such a person would make an amazing high jumper or pole vaulter. or he could do Olympic divingThose skills could have taken him places if given guidance.

If Kenya encourages such vijana vijana, then the country can top the athletics table more often. EABL should behave themselves and pay Yego. Not only that, but they should sponsor grassroots athletics in order to unearth other talents. They would be empowering grassroots coaches who have an eye for talent and can groom the youth into world class performers.

They are behaving like our politicians, trying to approppriate for themselves something they havent earned. EABL likely have never contributed anything to Yego's success yet they are appropriating his success
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#170 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 7:39:53 AM
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nakujua wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Talent has to meet opportunity. Few years ago,Rugby was only played in Nairobi. Cricket was for long also limited to the few who lived in Ngara yet Kenya made to the world cup.
I think there is a huge reservoir of untapped talent out there.

@masukuma can you confirm that smile - kumbe naks ilikuwa tu kelele, and I thought that was the home of rugby. smile

Nakuru is the home of rugby. Who remembers West Kenya Oribis, with one indefatigable prop called Johnny Yakas, the hardest farmer known to man?
masukuma
#171 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:40:23 AM
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murchr wrote:


No one else won the Javelin Gold medal or holds the world leading record apart from YEGO.

I don't think references to something Yego did can be considered representations of Yego doing endorsements for tusker... right? isn't that the whole premise of the "TeamKenya" thing? One gets paid for ENDORSEMENTS right? Ama I have this whole thing wrong?
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nakujua
#172 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:36:26 PM
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That was cheap, just pay the guy and use his image - they are behaving like a cash strapped startup, depending on poorly paid 'photoshopists' to run the marketing.
Othelo
#173 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:08:42 PM
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Great to see the way Jubilee gava is supporting sports. DPORK really emphasised this at JKIA today while receiving the team back!!!
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#174 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:12:30 PM
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nakujua wrote:
That was cheap, just pay the guy and use his image - they are behaving like a cash strapped startup, depending on poorly paid 'photoshopists' to run the marketing.


Maybe at EABL HQ, they are selling us first generation drinks while they drink third generation stuffsmile
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Alba
#175 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:15:27 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Great to see the way Jubilee gava is supporting sports. DPORK really emphasised this at JKIA today while receiving the team back!!!



Good on jubilee govt to cheer the team after they have won. Good on Sonko for hiring stretch limos to ferry the athletes. But it would be better if government actually contributed to the success instead of waiting until the athletes are successful then jump on the bandwagon.

Jubilee can start by breaking ground on the 5 stadiums they have been promising every few months. Less talk and more action and more results
murchr
#176 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:19:39 PM
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Alba wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Great to see the way Jubilee gava is supporting sports. DPORK really emphasised this at JKIA today while receiving the team back!!!



Good on jubilee govt to cheer the team after they have won. Good on Sonko for hiring stretch limos to ferry the athletes. But it would be better if government actually contributed to the success instead of waiting until the athletes are successful then jump on the bandwagon.

Jubilee can start by breaking ground on the 5 stadiums they have been promising every few months. Less talk and more action and more results


How can they not have participated yet these people worked with coaches hired by Athletics Kenya, trained in government facilities, their air tickets was paid using GOK money. Most of them are cops, soldiers, prison warders who are on GOK payroll....does it have to be your way or the highway?

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Alba
#177 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:28:30 PM
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murchr wrote:


How can they not have participated yet these people worked with coaches hired by Athletics Kenya, trained in government facilities, their air tickets was paid using GOK money. Most of them are cops, soldiers, prison warders who are on GOK payroll....does it have to be your way or the highway?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Why are you so sensitive to criticism? Are you in the jubilee govt?

1. The current government did not hire them as cops or prison warders as you claim. Most of them held these jobs before the current govt came to power.
2. Travel is covered by either IAAF or the local organizing committee
3. Government does not pay coaches as you are trying to claim

Why don't you tell us what the politicians who went to the airport to jump on the bandwagon actually did.


In any case I am not directing my criticism at Jubilee specifically. This has been the behaviour of Kenyan politicians for as long as I have known.

You have Ruto now grabbing primary school land. If you grab football fields, where will the next generation of footballers come from? Grabbing fields is detrimental to Kenya's sporting prospects yet this is the same Ruto who is quick to run to the airport to take credit. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

This has been the behaviour of Kenyan politicians for decades. They disregard or even take detrimental actions, then they hop on the bandwagon to reap where they did not sow.
harrydre
#178 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:36:04 PM
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I am reading somewhere he was offered Kshs 1B by Qatar...
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murchr
#179 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:46:55 PM
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Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:


How can they not have participated yet these people worked with coaches hired by Athletics Kenya, trained in government facilities, their air tickets was paid using GOK money. Most of them are cops, soldiers, prison warders who are on GOK payroll....does it have to be your way or the highway?



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Why are you so sensitive to criticism? Are you in the jubilee govt?

1. The current government did not hire them as cops or prison warders as you claim. Most of them held these jobs before the current govt came to power.
2. Travel is covered by either IAAF or the local organizing committee
3. Government does not pay coaches as you are trying to claim

Why don't you tell us what the politicians who went to the airport to jump on the bandwagon actually did.


In any case I am not directing my criticism at Jubilee specifically. This has been the behaviour of Kenyan politicians for as long as I have known.

You have Ruto now grabbing primary school land. If you grab football fields, where will the next generation of footballers come from? Grabbing fields is detrimental to Kenya's sporting prospects yet this is the same Ruto who is quick to run to the airport to take credit. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

This has been the behaviour of Kenyan politicians for decades. They disregard or even take detrimental actions, then they hop on the bandwagon to reap where they did not sow.


Its not being sensitive. This gov has done alot for sports that the mkate nusu gov dint do. Lets leave the sch play ground out first, that case is in court. If you feel so much more needs to be done why not apply for a position or become an sports activist. You cant just criticize from the back of your computer while as an individual you're doing nothing. Let me ask. What have you done for sports in Kenya as Alba? Get your a$$ off that chair and do something. The athletes will tell you that they have the support.
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Othelo
#180 Posted : Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:30:55 PM
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Raila joins the debate smile
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