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limanika
#11 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 4:07:08 PM
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Talked to a westerner who told us sugarcane farming in western is out of ICU and now on death bed. Surprised no investor can see an opportunity, start a private mill and support farmers to grow cane. . anyone here familiar how mwea rice farmers kicked out red tape govt and NIB out of the window and have been smiling all the way to the bank ever since.. and this was M01 time??
freiks
#12 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 4:19:08 PM
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limanika wrote:
Talked to a westerner who told us sugarcane farming in western is out of ICU and now on death bed. Surprised no investor can see an opportunity, start a private mill and support farmers to grow cane. . anyone here familiar how mwea rice farmers kicked out red tape govt and NIB out of the window and have been smiling all the way to the bank ever since.. and this was M01 time??

Wacha kusumbua roho yako, baba amesema ni uhuru anataka kuuza maziwa uganda kwa hivyo miwa wasana nayo iendelee kukaa kwa death bed, meanwhile as someone pointed out currently mwea town continues to be the hotbed of making money after the rice industry was liberalized by force by the farmers
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Swenani
#13 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 4:22:52 PM
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nakujua wrote:
kollabo wrote:
Am from western and its saddening. The problem is not Uhuru, the problem is not Uganda the problem is that we cannot see a lie even if the lie slaps us in the face.

True, we need prosperity politics, not the politics being played especially in this instance - siasa za ufukara.

SUgarcane in western kenya has proved time and time again that it can't compete with imports, thus the protectionist measures in place, and even with that we are still unable to run profitable sugar companies since greed has taken over.

Blocking imports is not the solution, given that those shouting loudest are clad in foreign imported suits, why don't they order fabric from rivatex wapeleke kwa local tailors washone nguo zao.


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Fyatu
#14 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 5:59:01 PM
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why not sell the factories to the farmers/outgrowers....or better still why don't the outgrowers organize themselves and build their own factories the way coffee factories/cooperatives are littered in central per village, per division
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#15 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 6:55:51 PM
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For once its refreshing to read posts that are not anti or pro but sober observations.

We can all agree sugar as a cash crop in Kenya is a dead end if the government and political operatives continues to interfere with it.

If someone can be able to import sugar from Brazil and sell it cheaper than ours it means we are not competitive.

Every time i pass through sugar growing areas and i see the obvious poverty caused by enslavement to sugar it makes me sad.

Mud huts in the middle of huge plantations is not a sight that reinforces the image of profits made in this trade.

This was a situation prevalent in mwea and central, meru areas when the government controlled the coffee, milk and rice etc.

As to how they got rid of this enslavement to things that add no nutritional value as the late great teacher Ali Mazrui told us is by taking back control of their livelihoods.

They uprooted and fought the government appointed bodies, in courts,physically, politically, and by selling outside government controlled bodies, uprooting coffees plantations etc.

In mwea it was almost a full scale war between the government and the farmers.
Moi was no fool he was a rural man after all his votes were in the rural area. He never interfered in the fight as he knew the farmers had a right to demand a control of their sources of livelihood.
The fights were fought day and night until they won.

In meru they up rooted the coffee and planted horticultural crops especially bananas and meru became an horticultural zone

Central it was milk and coffee. The battle for coffee is still going on.

In tea the farmers fought for its independence from the government by electing its leaders and directors in the tea industry.

I stand to be corrected but what is needed is for the farmers to take control of their land and their livelihoods in the sugar growing areas and decide if they want to continue with this path or find other more profitable pursuits.

As Jack Nicholson says in the movie the departed, "is that no one gives it to you, you have to take it".
Alba
#16 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 7:18:11 PM
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I spent a lot of time in Mumias albeit along time ago. The problem I saw in the Mumias area is that most of the cane was grown by smallholders. This made mechanization impossible. Without mechanization, cane farming becomes highly inefficient and uncompetitive.

Also the transport network to plantations was poor. Many of these roads in villages around Bukhaya / shikalame where I was, were unpassable during rains. So transporting the cane to Mumias was bloody expensive.

The small holder farms are too spread out from village to village with houses in between which only makes matters worse. It would be nice if farms could be consolidated into larger ones to make them viable.

So What are the solutions for people in Mumias, Chemelil and elsewhere? What other options do they have as far as commercial farming?

The climate is not conducive to grade cattle so milk production is out.

nakujua
#17 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 7:52:34 PM
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Alba wrote:
I spent a lot of time in Mumias albeit along time ago. The problem I saw in the Mumias area is that most of the cane was grown by smallholders. This made mechanization impossible. Without mechanization, cane farming becomes highly inefficient and uncompetitive.

Also the transport network to plantations was poor. Many of these roads in villages around Bukhaya / shikalame where I was, were unpassable during rains. So transporting the cane to Mumias was bloody expensive.

The small holder farms are too spread out from village to village with houses in between which only makes matters worse. It would be nice if farms could be consolidated into larger ones to make them viable.

So What are the solutions for people in Mumias, Chemelil and elsewhere? What other options do they have as far as commercial farming?

The climate is not conducive to grade cattle so milk production is out.


good points, but large scale mechanized farming will still kill the mumias and chemelil farmers, and will end up benefiting a few plantation lords.
Hapa hakuna solution to the sugar cane belt people at the end of the day in the continually globalized climate they will be the losers.

If they still want to deal with sugar, they would need to form cooperatives and use their leadership to press the government to give them some advantage in importing sugar and selling the same locally, instead of their leadership continually complaining about Uganda.

Lakini kama ni options; beef, poultry, cotton ...
limanika
#18 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:04:19 PM
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@ alba, and how is Uganda doing it? Instead of MCAs & governors from western going to Uganda to learn they instead go to Turkey and other places for shopping!!
Alba
#19 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:18:19 PM
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nakujua wrote:

good points, but large scale mechanized farming will still kill the mumias and chemelil farmers, and will end up benefiting a few plantation lords.
Hapa hakuna solution to the sugar cane belt people at the end of the day in the continually globalized climate they will be the losers.

If they still want to deal with sugar, they would need to form cooperatives and use their leadership to press the government to give them some advantage in importing sugar and selling the same locally, instead of their leadership continually complaining about Uganda.

Lakini kama ni options; beef, poultry, cotton ...



It may benefit a few plantation lords but at least it will keep Mumias Sugar, SoNY and other factories viable au siyo?

In terms of other options, I think beef is out because grade cattle do not survive there for some reason. This makes commercial ranching difficult.

Cotton is out because it also requires heavy mechanization and large scale farms in order to be viable. This is why cotton which used to thrive in Kisumu in the 1970s is dead.

Also I understand that cotton requires a certain type of soil that has very good drainage. This is what made the Kisumu area ideal for cotton.
What also made Kisumu ideal is the climate which is very dry during the harvesting season. Excessive rain ruins cotton.

That leaves only poultry.
Alba
#20 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:24:22 PM
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limanika wrote:
@ alba, and how is Uganda doing it? Instead of MCAs & governors from western going to Uganda to learn they instead go to Turkey and other places for shopping!!



Based on what I am reading, Uganda itself does not have a sugar surplus. They also import cheap sugar from elsewhere. But it is so cheap that they can export some to Kenya. I do not understand./Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall
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