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HaMaina
#81 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:59:34 AM
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I was watching yesterday's NTV news, and I couldn't help to think to myself, " If I was a fire, I'd hate to to be put out like that!" Not forgetting all those who sold out.
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
Muthawamunene
#82 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:47:10 AM
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I allude to, and paraphrase John Nash's work on Game Theory -

Overall success in a game where players are intelligent and rational decision-makers working towards a common objective, does not come while each is pursuing their own individual interests only but when each player is pursing the group's interest in addition to their individual interests.

Key assumption being the intelligence and rationality of the players.

Opening up this market (not only the sugar market)is good under the afore mentioned assumption.

Nationalism and protectionism has not brought much benefit in history, I assume you all know that these were the root causes of the two world wars we've had.

Opportunities are abound for Kenya and Uganda. While efficiencies are great, they do come with some pain. If Kenyan sugar players can bear though the short-term pain and be creative, we will all benefit.

Kenya's biggest pit fall is that we don't like change. We fear the pain of change. We like doing the same things the same way over and over again. We rarely do value addition. This is the time to be different. To think different.

IBMs motto - THINK
Apple's motto - Think different

We all know the history behind these companies.

Njung'e
#83 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:02:23 PM
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@Wakanyugi,

You've put it correctly in that, the problems bedeviling MSC are more managerial than competition from wherever. Take for example the fact that their production has fallen from 270K MT in 2007 to around 70K MT in 2015. What competition brought them that low? NONE! Looking further afield, the Ugandan sugar industry has just about double the capacity of MSC (Roughly 550K MT/ yr).That alone is not enough for the Ugandan population and this makes Uganda itself, a net importer alongside all other COMESA countries. What we are seeing is an industry with no capacity to satisfy the region being asked to compete against itself in order to bring the best out of the individual mills. How this can be bad for MSC (or Kenyan sugarcane growers), i really can't see. Muthawamunene's words in the post above just sums it up all. As for politicians,never mind what they do.Bupamba is just trying to find what he has lost and until you hear from the farmer himself, treat his as hot air.Thank you!smile

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streetwise
#84 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:34:02 PM
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Well put !!!!

Even though MSC is shut when you go to the supermraket do you find their sugar lying around. Meaning the last batch was bought out even though cheaper sugar was still available in the shops. For sure the shops did not return back to MSC the last batched supplied.

HaMaina
#85 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:06:21 PM
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This import from Brazil or Uganda is not making sense. Would it not be practical to fully ban sea-port importation and concentrate on Uganda importation with the help of Uganda KRA officials, to regulate on their end?

Sweet Sour Deal: MPs from Western region turn down State House date

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs590wM3lZ8
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
streetwise
#86 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:20:26 AM
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Everyone says Ban Ban.

Let me ask why do Kenyan athletes dominate the races in the world.

Answer because the practise and become better than the competition.

Same with our competition or DIE.

If you dont it does not matter who is protecting you, you will surely die
HaMaina
#87 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 8:39:21 AM
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Why do I get this strange feeling like the banning of sea imports has directly impacted some peoples pockets. I would like to know who the major licensed importers from Brazil etc were.
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
Wakanyugi
#88 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 11:33:36 AM
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Thank you all for the detailed input. This has been an important learning for me. My takeaways from this:

1. It is not about the farmers, they are just a convenient handle on which to hang political and other grievances. After all Kenya has a Sugar shortfall and we have to buy it from somewhere, donge? Why not Uganda? Oh, because Ugandans have no sugar to sell, they will simply repack Brazilian sugar and sell it to us. So? Good for them. We just need sugar right? Or am I missing something here?

2. It is time our politicians stepped up to the plate. What Kenya needs now is leaders who get things done, not just hecklers who specialize in spewing hot air. Thinking is not optional.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
HaMaina
#89 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 11:40:05 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Thank you all for the detailed input. This has been an important learning for me. My takeaways from this:

1. It is not about the farmers, they are just a convenient handle on which to hang political and other grievances. After all Kenya has a Sugar shortfall and we have to buy it from somewhere, donge? Why not Uganda? Oh, because Ugandans have no sugar to sell, they will simply repack Brazilian sugar and sell it to us. So? Good for them. We just need sugar right? Or am I missing something here?

2. It is time our politicians stepped up to the plate. What Kenya needs now is leaders who get things done, not just hecklers who specialize in spewing hot air. Thinking is not optional.



I thought Uganda had a surplus supply?
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
mlennyma
#90 Posted : Friday, August 14, 2015 11:44:33 AM
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When coffee seemed unviable in many areas,the owners were quick to uproot and turn to real estate,the problem is not sugar but leadership retrogressiveness ,pple who never think beyond their nose.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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