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What's the 1 thing you would tell Uhuru & Potus
Shak
#11 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:11:52 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
To Uhuru regarding direct flights:

Ole Lenku at KAA is a liability...He is remembered for failing to secure Westgate and blaming a light bulb dropping into a trash bin for an airport fire.

mwondoe Ole Lenku if you want to increase JKIA's security rating.

Kimaiyo not Ole Lenku
digitek1
#12 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:22:06 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
Finally.

A decent conversation.

What is exactly required for direct flights to take place between the two nations?

An Executive POTUS order?

Instructions/recommendations from US Transport and Homeland Security Cabinet Secretaries?

NTSA approval?

Senate/Congress recommendation?

There are a number of Congressmen and Senators, including one from their "opposition" GOP around. Are these the people to query during this visit?

what prevents people like the Michuki Family and others who have vast Coffee Estates deal directly with enterprises like Starbucks?

Perhaps if we knew the restraints or hindrances, we would know who to petition, now that they are in "town".

Thinking ....

WTO and non tariff barriers. That's why we should prepare for the Doha discussions to be held at the MC10 meeting in nairobi. currently the government is treating this like a tourism event...Laughing out loudly
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
masukuma
#13 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:24:30 AM
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hahaha.... counterfactuals.... the title is a misnomer since you ask about 1 thing and you have a list of 8!
my one thing....
@Obama.... well my one thing would be 'safiri salama'
@Uhuru.... 'baki salama'

everything else on this page is pointless
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kysse
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 3:33:02 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Finally.

A decent conversation.

What is exactly required for direct flights to take place between the two nations?

An Executive POTUS order?

Instructions/recommendations from US Transport and Homeland Security Cabinet Secretaries?

NTSA approval?

Senate/Congress recommendation?

There are a number of Congressmen and Senators, including one from their "opposition" GOP around. Are these the people to query during this visit?

what prevents people like the Michuki Family and others who have vast Coffee Estates deal directly with enterprises like Starbucks?

Perhaps if we knew the restraints or hindrances, we would know who to petition, now that they are in "town".

Thinking ....


The young entrepreneurs need global market.
What time to raise such an important issue than now.
They are all intertwined. Talk business and routes/security/price come into play.The Civil Aviation bodies/IATA will ask questions.And answers are sought when questions are asked. So hell yeah Potus cannot issue an order,but will take note and refer the matter to the decision makers for consideration.

The Michukis can access starbucks direct only if licensed.But coffee market must be controlled or else we all suffer.
Farmers Co-op societies hold the licence to export coffee on their behalf- that you know.
Nowhere is how they suffer.

XYZ- The farmers co-op society,
Mathina-The poor ignorant farmer.
Gitonga- The exposed rich farmer who sits on the Coffee Board and owns vast land of coffee.
Game.
Mathina delivers grade AA coffee to XYZ.It's bought at $5/kg.
Gitonga cuts an $8/kg deal direct with Starbucks for same grade AA.
Both Mathina and Gitonga must export through XYZ marketing society because only xyz holds the licence.
Gitonga instructs XYZ to sell his AA coffee to starbucks at $8/kg -agreed upon.
Mathina on the other hand knows only the star newspaper for bucks.He relies on XYZ for market and so his coffee gets sold to starbucks at $6/kg
For the same AA grade and same US buyer,Gitonga makes a cool $3/kg profit while Mathina takes home$1/kg profit.(excluding operational costs)
Gitongas dominate the coffee market while the mathinas are controlled.

Until mathina is able to source and determine his price there can't be any hope.
Now the stars are tired of buying from Gitonga and have come home to buy off coffee farms where they grow own coffee for export.
The coffee will buy at probably at $3/kg and sell in US at $10/kg-just saying.
Show Mathina some winning strategies over starbucks and Gitongas







aemathenge
#15 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:38:02 PM
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In that regard "game" changing scenarios are needed: Would these work?

Scenario One:

Petition PORK to influence immediate issuance of "Licenses" to diverse enterprises. Question is, would "The Gitongas" allow this?

Scenario Two:

I was thinking of petitioning a "Starbucks" GEC attendee to partner with an "XYZ" like Karume did with South African Breweries to give other "XYZs" a run for their money.

Competition would mean more dollars into Mathina's tattered pockets hoping Mathina would re-invest these in their coffee crops and not "gumboots like Range Rovers" (Remember the coffee boom of the 70s) and third/forth wives".

Scenario Three:

Link "game" changing Generals like Nyeri's Governor with the "starbucks" attendees. These "Generals" have Mathina's political support.

I voiced these to the aide of one Attendee and her response was that they tried that once but they were dissuaded by the "economic rent sought which was as high as 16%". Her words, not mine.

Thinking....
kysse
#16 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:48:43 PM
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Potus has said things.smile

1. Ivory ban in all states..
2. Kenya and Ethiopia working together to suppress Terrorism in the region
3. Government to treat all equally irrespective of their sexual orientation.I echo Uhuru's sentiments-It's a NON-ISSUE.Our culture doesn't allow it plus we have bigger problems to deal with than pant problems.
4. Direct flights-Specific protocol and security issues must be sorted out.
Progress has been made,no certain date.
I quote Potus'
Quote:
IF I AM LATE TO GET IT DONE CALL ME AND SAY YOU LIED TO US'.
Who said it's a non issue? smile Who has his direct line? Alma??Laughing out loudly
Haleluja.


aemathenge wrote:
In that regard "game" changing scenarios are needed: Would these work?

Scenario One:

Petition PORK to influence immediate issuance of "Licenses" to diverse enterprises. Question is, would "The Gitongas" allow this?

No,they won't allow and those who attempt end up having their houses burnt.
Solution- Educate/Enlighten the farmer
.

Scenario Two:
I was thinking of petitioning a "Starbucks" GEC attendee to partner with an "XYZ" like Karume did with South African Breweries to give other "XYZs" a run for their money.
No effect.Each XYZ has their niche market and contracts include more than just coffee.
That's how macadamia processors do it,offer incentives and value ,such that a new comer has nothing extra to offer the farmer.
The starburks will not leave an XYZ for anything inferior.Fights revolve around Price and Quality.
Should you dare cross their path,XYZ will no hesitate to use farmers to fight their own wars through sabotage,incitement etc.

Competition would mean more dollars into Mathina's tattered pockets hoping Mathina would re-invest these in their coffee crops and not "gumboots like Range Rovers" (Remember the coffee boom of the 70s) and third/forth wives".
Ndigehota.
Scenario Three:

Link "game" changing Generals like Nyeri's Governor with the "starbucks" attendees. These "Generals" have Mathina's political support.

Oh, now you are talking. Switzerland was there and so were others.But the war comes from other XYZs through the farmers from the generals backyard with the aim of making the generals fighting for farmers look real bad.Ouch if only they knew..ignorance is bad.
Now tell me, are you close to the starbuck attendee for GES? I can introduce you to them movers.But Damn they could be here at the Invite of the Gitongas.


I voiced these to the aide of one Attendee and her response was that they tried that once but they were dissuaded by the "economic rent sought which was as high as 16%". Her words, not mine.

Well bring her to the table again.I guess she wanted coffee with value which is more expensive

Thinking....

aemathenge
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:17:15 PM
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Apparently, serious strategizing and negotiations are taking place in conferences rooms of most big hotels in Nairoberry and beyond. There is a new urgency in that millions of China’s western educated and newly rich have acquired a taste for good coffee.

In that regard, strategies are need in cornering this commodity’s market before it is lost to them.

I am not close to any Attendee but I have been trying to cultivate one with an aide attached to a CEO whose enterprise buys large amounts of coffee.

I complimented her on the rhyming of her hairstyle, earrings and lipstick. One thing is (hopefully) leading to another.

She is from Nyeri, graduated recently from a US University, and is interning with the enterprise. Her knowledge of the ground is highly valued in this trip.

The strategy is three phase pronged.

Strategy One:

Convince a son of a prominent farmer to have the enterprise granted a license to process and export Kenyan coffee.

Apparently, they have a piece of land in Kutus town and await results from discussions before construction and production start.

The said son is apparently a close family friend of PORK. I cannot however verify this. She is scanty on details due to the hash hash nature of the entire “Game”.

Strategy Two:

They are in advanced negotiations with three “XYZ” institutions regarding partnership in processing and exporting of coffee using the “XYZ’s” licenses.

The hope is that if this proves successful, others will follow.

Strategy Three:

There were three initial “Generals” involved. Nyeri, Kirinyaga and Embu Governors.

Embu and Kirinyaga are rega rega ing and are waiting to see how Nyeri goes. The Nyeri “General” was exported recently for medical attention after which some discussions on progress were discussed. Her words, not mine.

It was decided for the strategy to succeed, “colonels, lieutenants and foot soldiers were needed. As such, MCAs, Mpigs and Senators are being sounded for their opinions as we speak.

A number MCAs have been making international trips at the enterprise’s expense so that they can be influenced to support the strategy.

Another lot is youth organizations particularly those involved in the unregulated horticultural industry.

A number have leased land covered in coffee bushes to grow French beans, red pepper and other products.

These youth will apparently be co-opted as a vanguard against ignorance from ill-informed farmers, the “Mathina’s”.

The “meetings” are going on long into the night. She is using me as a sounding board, knowing I come from the area, Kirinyaga.

The direct flight issue seems to be festering on on its own and on hold for now. Apparently, private ownership of approach land to major airports and high population therein is a major issue. So is terms and conditions for air flight controllers and other airport personnel.

There was even a suggestion that the proposed Isiolo International Airport construction be fast tracked. The approach land would be secured against grabbing. Let’s wait and see.

Thinking…..
FRM2011
#18 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 10:20:02 PM
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Am following this closely. Thumbs up @kysse and mahegoat. The info on this thread is a veritable goldmine.
As a nyerian, i can tell you once coffee is sorted, 90% of our problems are gone.

My (our), solution is political in nature. Will provide more details as 2017 approaches.
kysse
#19 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2015 10:24:23 PM
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What she told you is totally true. She's a ground person I can tell.

Strategy 1= Gitonga Strategy

Strategy 2= The only reason for this would be the need for volumes esp if the demand is higher than one XYZ can supply.
But look here,it's like partnering with 2 competitors for a single market and the market will dictate the orders,so what happens if 1 competitor sells more to the enterprise than the other? don't you fear sabotage? termination of contract? are there minimum terms? like say' you must buy and sell from all the 3 and it's not their problem who/where the final buyer is.
And how will the farmers supplying to the inferior xyz feel? will they understand that their coffee is poor quality hence cannot sell,yet you fronted the same enterprise to them?

This is how I would go about it. I would convene a meeting with farmers at the grass roots, if I am a buyer.
There is the agreed auction price but I will agree to buy and sell their coffee at a price that will benefit the farmer.I will make it known to them so they can calculate how much to expect after delivery.
Nothing less than $1-2/kg profit will go direct to farmer depending on the season. The remaining profit goes to their XYZ.In summary,farmers needs first ,xyz's second.
Choose the last option.



tycho
#20 Posted : Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:48:54 AM
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masukuma wrote:
hahaha.... counterfactuals.... the title is a misnomer since you ask about 1 thing and you have a list of 8!
my one thing....
@Obama.... well my one thing would be 'safiri salama'
@Uhuru.... 'baki salama'

everything else on this page is pointless


. . . not everything is pointless. Games are played for a reason always, and I can't discount the possibility of despair stirring the roots.
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