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VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:08:25 PM
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The CMA, NSE & CBK makes is difficult for firms to raise bonds... Yes, there should be due diligence but let there be flexibility in the types (seniority) of bonds.

If firms could raise bonds on the 'cheap' they would prefer them to Bank loans. Issuing a bond os very expensive for the firms...

I would rather buy a Kakuzi Bond @ 10% (Kakuzi probably pays 15% to banks) than a bank CD at 5%... Why? The 5% 'extra'... I already have GoK Bonds... Coz they pay better than banks!
Kakuzi gets the cash at 5% discount (less fees+admin)...

BTW... coz of (many) folks like me... banks cant lend cheap! I want the highest interest they pay or I go elsewhere...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#22 Posted : Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:59:22 PM
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Don't hate the banker

http://www.ratio-magazin...ont-Hate-the-Banker.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Scubidu
#23 Posted : Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:15:01 PM
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@Chali & cnn. It is reserves and capital that limit how much a bank can lend...not customer deposits. The last time you took a loan how were the funds disbursed? Bank Transfer? Bankers Cheque? And what are they drawn on? A Deposit A/c. Clearly it wud be difficult to claim that Banks made their loan from your savings account becoz your savings account balance never changes (just check at your ATM statement every 5 minutes, it's always the same figure you left). The banks have no money, all they do is create deposits (create credit).

So if a bank can make a loan (to govt or private) which results in the creation on a deposit (on which a check can be drawn) then aren't assets and liabilities growing respectively? Why banks need to attract customer deposits is becoz some of the loans written are made to customers who bank with another bank resulting in a transfer of funds...since banks lend to each other everyday at the end of the day all they do is transfer the net amount of these funds.

But the fact is that when you go to a bank for the first time as a new customer and take a loan they create a deposit account for you, that is the accounting entry.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
mzazii
#24 Posted : Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43:03 PM
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[b]Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Vitu Vingi Sana

Your signature - RED AND BOLD - is giving me a headache and 'burning' my eyes. At least remove the bold, WACHA KUWEKA VITU VINGI SANA!!LOL!!
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VituVingiSana
#25 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 7:01:12 AM
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@mzazil - I believe in it... I am a huge Warren Buffett fan... Get a pair of (fake) sunglasses... 200/- from the street vendor...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
jimmy007
#26 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 7:12:52 AM
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he who is working hard and doing is work in a systematical manner becomes good CA
Scubidu
#27 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 8:21:29 AM
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Would SCBK be interested in a brokerage licence to trade bonds at the NSE...methinks definately. And what's easier than poaching major bond traders from the investment banking community. Why are they squeezing out the middleman?
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 8:37:03 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
Would SCBK be interested in a brokerage licence to trade bonds at the NSE...methinks definately. And what's easier than poaching major bond traders from the investment banking community. Why are they squeezing out the middleman?

SCBK already proficient in trading bonds. They do not need to poach anyone. Plus they have talent depth from their other affiliates in S.Africa & Asia...

Why do they need middlemen?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kizee
#29 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 8:56:06 AM
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vvs

u must use a middleman to trade bonds in kenya..unless offcourse ur the said middleman
VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2010 9:00:00 AM
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@kizee - Mine was a rhetorical question... SCBK do not need middlemen except for the corrupt idiots who are in charge of regulation in Kenya force them to...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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