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You are out of bounds Mr. President
Kusadikika
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:06:28 AM
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Alcoholism in Central Kenya is a big problem. I however object to the Embakasi style way of dealing with the problem that has been initiated by Waititu and now appears to enjoy presidential sanction. Small licensed businesses that deal in liquor are being looted and vandalized in the name fighting against alcoholism. The high unemployment rate in Central cannot be dealt with by just closing down drinking joints in fact I argue it might have a counterproductive effect. People will be forced to choose between having thugs in their neigbourhoods or having drunkards.

Mnataka ngeta ama ulevi.
Mainat
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:47:37 AM
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You must learn to ignore the president when he does his off the cuff speeches which are akin bar talk. Just meant for passing time
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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:56:34 AM
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Mainat wrote:
You must learn to ignore the president when he does his off the cuff speeches which are akin bar talk. Just meant for passing time


President mwenyewe ni wamunyota so he cant close all the nyotaring joints.
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majimaji
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 8:46:21 AM
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I also got alarmed at his style of delivery, the alcohol problem did not start yesterday in Central Kenya and encouraging looting of people's property is against the law
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#5 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 8:59:57 AM
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I may not agree with his style but obviously there is a problem that needs to be solved.

Am told even Moi had to take drastic and unconventional measures to bring Kales to their senses on alcohol issues.They would drink from dawn to dusk tena both parents.

There is a generation lost in Central and that needs to be corrected for future generations.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:28:42 AM
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majimaji wrote:

I also got alarmed at his style of delivery, the alcohol problem did not start yesterday in Central Kenya and encouraging looting of people's property is against the law

How nowd'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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#7 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:05:40 AM
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ZZE123 wrote:
majimaji wrote:

I also got alarmed at his style of delivery, the alcohol problem did not start yesterday in Central Kenya and encouraging looting of people's property is against the law

How nowd'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


We have perfected the art and science of deception. We make laws for everything including how to be within the law while killing people. No mention of the "business men and women" who brew the lethal liquids. Ati they are "legit" and the effects are all too clear to see. unless the lords of death and poverty are dealt with no amount of talking will save Central.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:34:42 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Alcoholism in Central Kenya is a big problem. I however object to the Embakasi style way of dealing with the problem that has been initiated by Waititu and now appears to enjoy presidential sanction. Small licensed businesses that deal in liquor are being looted and vandalized in the name fighting against alcoholism. The high unemployment rate in Central cannot be dealt with by just closing down drinking joints in fact I argue it might have a counterproductive effect. People will be forced to choose between having thugs in their neigbourhoods or having drunkards.

Mnataka ngeta ama ulevi.

I strongly disagree with the highlighted.

I doubt unemployment is causing drunkenness. Infact, I think drunkenness is causing unemployment!

Why? Just visit areas in Kiambu county that are within commuting distance from the city eg Kiambu, Ruaka, Muchatha, Banana,Wangige, Kikuyu, Ruiru

You will find those fellows lazing around and waiting for 20 bob handout.

At the same time, there will be a Wafula all the way from Chwele who took a bus from huko Bungoma to Nairobi to try out a security job. He is paid 8,500. He lives in a rented house. He is okay and even manages to send the guys back home some pesa.

Why can't this Kiambu fellow take up such a job instead of begging for 20bob? His costs(no rent) are much lower! He has made himself unemployable and will not sustain any job. If you doubt, just ask around where these walevis are and you will find enough graduates and former employees of banks, civil service, hospitals(even medical doctors!) among them.

Alcoholism is not caused by poverty/unemployment. Alcoholism causes poverty and unemployment.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:53:45 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Alcoholism in Central Kenya is a big problem. I however object to the Embakasi style way of dealing with the problem that has been initiated by Waititu and now appears to enjoy presidential sanction. Small licensed businesses that deal in liquor are being looted and vandalized in the name fighting against alcoholism. The high unemployment rate in Central cannot be dealt with by just closing down drinking joints in fact I argue it might have a counterproductive effect. People will be forced to choose between having thugs in their neigbourhoods or having drunkards.

Mnataka ngeta ama ulevi.


I wonder why people think those guys drink because they are unemployed. Just the other day we were watching a certain lawyer from Othaya who was picking tea simply because he couldn't keep a job due to alcoholism. Every time you go to the village, you will meet very many young people who have abandoned their once well-doing horticultural activities and they currently even stand straight on their legs, they are always staggering. There is this guy who used to employ us in his shamba when we were young and he was the mdosi of the village until the cheap liqour got the better of him. Right now he is in the line-up of those asking you for 20bob to buy some cheap brew. I know another who was running a very well doing wholesale shop and right now he cant even afford a meal. Same problem. These men are no longer able to wake up early and deliver milk at the collection points because they will be too drunk at 6am to milk and deliver. Their fathers, or mothers just in case even the father is part of the drinking spree, will employ a Bukusu guy from Western as "mundu wa ng'ombe" to look after the cows as they watch their sons wear out slowly, starting with teeth. The few "lucky" ones who had married before they were destroyed will have their wives do the whole job, only for them to cause chaos on the pay day about "pesa ya ng'ombe 'zangu' lazima nipewe". Mark you they will still take the whole of "pesa zangu" to the filthy dark dens. Wasn't it in the News just the other day when a Chemistry teacher and a Sub-chief were among men who died from those things? In my honest opinion, its not poverty that is pushing people to these things, its these things that are pushing people to poverty. Someone needs to pay a visit to these villages to understand the gravity of this matter. Even if "employment" was to be ditched out through ATMs like money, I wonder how many of those young men will be able to do any work. Iko shida kubwa sana huko.
majimaji
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:06:06 AM
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why is this problem prevalent in Central Kenya in the Kikuyu speaking areas?
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