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To be poor is to be a failure
muganda
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:00:03 PM
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Every single day everybody I see around me seems to be chasing one thing and one thing only!

So whether we admit it or not, capitalism has taken over. We judge by the clad, the mobile, the wheels = money, comfort, luxury.

And we look down on anyone who doesn't measure up! So when I see a poor person, I see another failure. What am I missing...
anasazi
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:39:51 PM
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Its all media driven. Capitalism has taken over. Just look at the beef between Prezzo and Jaguar to see whats driving us now...
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Magigi
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:35:56 PM
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...exactly!
...and the poor are being seen as the scam of the earth...Even in churches, the only places the poor should seek saccour, are being kept off...

...last sunday in a prominent Nairobi church, this advert of a certain Maxwell 1 day workshop on 'Value based leadership' was shown in that church. The cost of attending the workshop is Ksh 65,000. Of course there must be something in it for the pastors there, but if a poor man came to announce the loss of his goat, he would be sent out of town by the same pastors!!!
quagmire
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:59:30 PM
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65k?!i actually saw the ad on one of'em town buses.enyewe some folks hav money 2 burn
giggidy giggidy
Njung'e
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:16:16 AM
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@Muganda,
Money,comfort and luxury isn't equal to happiness or is it?....Again,the scriptures are clear on mankind.ALL OF US CAN"T BE THE SAME just like the fingers of our hands.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:26:19 AM
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Its that sad. @guka, very true.
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the sage
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:46:05 AM
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@Njunge, it is very sad. Slavery never stoppped and still continues to this day, 1% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth. Who knows, may be the old guy from the Zeitgeist is right, we have to move to a resource-based economic system because one thing is clear, Capitalism isn't working.
Intelligentsia
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23:48 AM
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of course we need poverty, and for poverty to be continually cast as a failure! You guys don't be selfish, otherwise where would we take all those NGOs, proposal writers, impt meetings at the G-7 & G-20, a chance for our leaders to dip their hands into all those fancy poverty-related kitties, and so on?
muganda
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:54:09 AM
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@Njunge very true. Difficult to appreciate the other fingers if they're all trying to be the thumb.

Is there a poor person who we often look up to? It seems we choose to look up to them when it's a rags to riches/glory story...
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:12:38 AM
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:24:39 AM
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Jesus Christ and the 13 Apostles (The 12 Disciples minus Judas and the other two chosen after Jesus death - Paul and Matthias) were not rich. Yes, the poor will always be there I even know some from stories of riches to rags who earned their respect and are still respected. Success is not measured in monetary terms. There are so many crooked rich men out there. Problem with the media is they always highlight the rich as successful...just look keenly around at the people you truly respect. I measure success as spirituality, integrity, family, love, true to-die-for friendships, great marriages e.t.c. To be rich is an additional blessing which can also be a curse in its own ways esp when it steals your peace and all the other things that I have described above.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:51:12 AM
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Conventional wisdom: We should only have children if we can take good care of them and be able to provide for all their basic needs

Question: The dirt poor are unable to provide for themselves and of course will be unable to provide for their children. Should poor people therefore have chldren?
Magigi
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:04:06 AM
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Intelligentsia
very true. My brother has 4 kids and an idler and still doing his wife!. Have to take care of his kids. Lucky enough miscarried the last child and doctors had to chop of those tubes!!! served her right! Yes the poor will have as many children as they are able to sleep wth their wives. Part of it is ignorance and lack of education.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:51:09 AM
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I used to criticize the poor until I got a warning.The bible in Psalms(I dont have time to get the chapter) states that whoever mocks the poor mocks their maker.In James it states that its sin to have prejudice especially to the poor since God has chosen them to be the heirs of his kingdom.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56:03 AM
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@Magigi,

Cant help laughing on that one!
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:06:51 PM
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@Magigi and Intellig...

Now, you guys have ways of entertaining yourselves... you have may be a 42 inch TV loaded with DSTV, GTV(I hear they are coming back), you can afford a beer with friends, you can go for movies or holidays... how do the poor compensate for this lack of entertainment? and you blame them? Thats their only form of entertainment.
Njung'e
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:47:46 PM
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@Wendz,
Aiii.....!!!...stop inciting lest i give up all i have for that
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Magigi
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:57:20 PM
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...and do they have to do it at 7.30 am, 10.30 am, 12.30 pm 2.30 pm, 4.30 pm 6.30 pm ....every day? Those are many hours of procreation and no production...
Njung'e
#19 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:58:12 PM
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@Wendz,
Aiii.....!!!...stop inciting lest i give up all i have for that.....and where did you get GTV's comeback from?.That would be great.I still miss discovery world.......
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
chikita
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:59:50 PM
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@Njunge ebu give up all that en see if u'll be getting any!
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