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Kenya Police: an obstacle to progress?
tycho
#11 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 2:30:10 PM
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I don't think the police are a problem. It's the average citizen who has the wrong idea about how things should be. The citizen for example is mistaken in believing he/she has an accurate understanding of what's going on around him; but that's far from true. Especially if your political and economic interests are vague and wishful, and engagement being posting on wazua or giving lectures at the cobbler's.

It's like Capitalism hasn't been understood, and embraced. Personally I'm yet to be at peace with it.

But not unless Capital is threatened, a Policeman will play calm, and he himself will work for Capital and to promote capital. Even if it means using the mattress as bank. Claiming that the police shouldn't be involved in the pursuit of wealth is a delusion.

And this delusion creates ground for 'corruption' and blame game.
Tbags
#12 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 3:06:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
I don't think the police are a problem. It's the average citizen who has the wrong idea about how things should be. The citizen for example is mistaken in believing he/she has an accurate understanding of what's going on around him; but that's far from true. Especially if your political and economic interests are vague and wishful, and engagement being posting on wazua or giving lectures at the cobbler's.

It's like Capitalism hasn't been understood, and embraced. Personally I'm yet to be at peace with it.

But not unless Capital is threatened, a Policeman will play calm, and he himself will work for Capital and to promote capital. Even if it means using the mattress as bank. Claiming that the police shouldn't be involved in the pursuit of wealth is a delusion.

And this delusion creates ground for 'corruption' and blame game.


@ tycho,I rarely understand your arguments,but on this one I am with you.Our fellow countrymen have a starange believe that the problem ussually lies elswhere..for example,the guy saying we fire all policemen and hire a new lot...from where Uganda or jamaica??policemen are ordinary kenyans..they are a reflection of how rotten our society is..first fix yourself,then elect the right leaders who will go to parliament and make proper laws and amend the faulty ones which promote incompetence and corruption.
Carthage
#13 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 3:51:18 PM
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Corruption is a personal Choice.
There are so many of us who go about with our work without succumbing to the temptation ya kuchukua hongo.
This is hardly an excuse.
tycho
#14 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 4:08:43 PM
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Carthage wrote:
Corruption is a personal Choice.
There are so many of us who go about with our work without succumbing to the temptation ya kuchukua hongo.
This is hardly an excuse.


Corruption isn't taking bribes only. One can be very corrupt without taking bribes directly. And personal choice depends on collective trends which are usually stronger than personal and individual choices. For example, would you rather lose your life and leave your children hungry or abet corruption and take them to school and take care of them?
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#15 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 5:40:52 PM
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Is accountability a political tool or a national goal?
alma
#16 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 9:42:35 PM
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This country went to the dogs eons ago. I will spend my time at home as you line up

Read carefully

So yesterday our driver gets arrested in Nakuru for over speeding (didn't notice he was) ...Another man rushing his wife to hospital because she has hypertension is also pulled over for the same. Pleads with the police to let him get the wife to hospital but they refused. He is asked to drive the car to the police station where he begs them to take the wife to hospital but he is rudely told that is not their business...his sick wife and the brother is still in the car...the man is arrested and taken to court...fined 30k for over speeding and locked in a cell. While there he receives a call from the brother that his wife has passed on...at the police station's parking.

https://web.facebook.com...634699847000?pnref=story
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Alba
#17 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 9:45:39 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Does anyone else feel this? Our police force has become a major obstacle to national progress?

Lack of security, harassing innocents, messing up traffic, constantly taking bribes, no rule of law, bad decisions etc?

Isn't it time they got radical surgery?

They seem to be the weakest link in the chain of growth this country is going through. A constant reminder of how little we can achieve while they are still around, in their present form.

Does anyone have the guts to reform them, or will they always be the weight that pulls the whole nation down?


I fundamentally disagree with the notion that they are the weakest link.

We Kenyans are the weakest link. Policemen are a reflection of our society. We are a society that tolerates corruption, impunity and incompetence so long as a member of our tribe is in power.

Until we focus on voting based on issues like security and crime instead of voting on tribe, nothing will get fixed.

Do not expect UK and Ruto to focus on fixing police , making Kenya safe or reducing crime. Instead expect UK and Ruto to focus on building tribal blocs in readiness for the 2017 election. This is what we Kenyans have told him is important. We tell him that by our voting patterns which are tribe based and not issue based.

Believe me if UK thought that his re-election in 2017 was going to be based on how he addresses crime, he would take the task of reforming the police seriously and instead of appointing top cops based on tribal balancing, he would appoint the most competent people regardless of tribal balancing. There would be no Nkaissery or Ole Lenku types.

So Kenyans should not shift blame to Police. Blame yourselves.
tycho
#18 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 11:01:19 PM
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timizo
#19 Posted : Friday, June 05, 2015 11:57:48 PM
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[quote=alma]This country went to the dogs eons ago. I will spend my time at home as you line up

Read carefully

So yesterday our driver gets arrested in Nakuru for over speeding (didn't notice he was) ...Another man rushing his wife to hospital because she has hypertension is also pulled over for the same. Pleads with the police to let him get the wife to hospital but they refused. He is asked to drive the car to the police station where he begs them to take the wife to hospital but he is rudely told that is not their business...his sick wife and the brother is still in the car...the man is arrested and taken to court...fined 30k for over speeding and locked in a cell. While there he receives a call from the brother that his wife has passed on...at the police station's parking.

https://web.facebook.com...34699847000?pnref=story[/quote]

I fully agree with you.
There are so many things that went wrong in this country. Let me sample a few
Leaders - Almost all our leaders are conmen and conwomen. They are heartless with same characterlists of Kanyari but now doing it out of the church environment

Police - Most of them are heartless and are in fact wild animals walking in human bodies

The general Public - Not sure which words best describe majority of Kenyans they are either stupid, foolish or just ignorant. See some of the things they do

a. Have no idea what they should expect from their leaders meaning that they also have no idea what leadership qualities to look for when voting. We are looking for those with qualities of celebrities and no substance. Actually if Kanyari did not start a church, he would have used the same tricks to get himself elected.
b. We will listen and praise our tribesman even if he steals a quarter of our national budget resulting to poor roads and therefore daily inconveniences and deaths because of dead healthcare system. We love our tribe more than we love quality life, ourselves and our children
c. We fail to recognize that unless we change the systems today and demand good governance regardless of whether it is our tribesman who is leading this country, this same lawlessness will one morning take away all the properties that we have worked so hard to acquire from us or from our children.
d. We appear to pin our hopes on an individual rather than working systems.
e. We have no idea how much better our quality of life for the general public would be if all the tax we pay was not stolen
f. We do not seem to have any idea what a government should do. Those who have lived huko majuu have an idea what a working government means. We get carried over by a politician sprinkling the remains of thievery forgetting to recognise what we are actually entitled to.
g. Because of love for tribe, we seem not to notice that we work so hard but most of our earnings from waking up early goes to the government to use in providing services but end up in thieves pockets. Consider this about 305 of salo goes. What remains is taxed at 18% VAT if you dare spend on anything --- at least most of the things not to mention the excise tax and import duty passed on to us by manufacturers and importers .... and many other taxes. Let's work hard but at least lets demand for accountability for our taxes. We sack our domestics and others workers who misuse our money, quarrel and even separate with our spouses for misuse of our money but worship our tribal thieve for stealing our taxes.
washiku
#20 Posted : Saturday, June 06, 2015 12:57:03 AM
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