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USD/KES $ at 95
mkonomtupu
#81 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:21:36 PM
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When you borrow in dollars and you don't generate dollars to repay

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The burden of the multi-billion-shilling Eurobond Kenya issued last year on the taxpayer has alarmed Parliament following revelations that the country will pay Sh16.4 billion in interest payments on the debt for the year starting July.

Official data shows that interest payments on bond will account for 54 per cent of the total interest payment on foreign debt in the fiscal year starting July.

http://www.businessdaily...4/-/d13sqv/-/index.html

Ericsson
#82 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:44:21 PM
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Amount of money borrowed was ksh.269bn and the interest was at around 6% on average
So if we are paying ksh.16bn that's in order
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#83 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:50:06 PM
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Meanwhile we dropped to 99 before intervention tookus back to 98.
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kizee1
#84 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:39:15 PM
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intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)
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#85 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 3:52:00 AM
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CBK should just give up chasing this dollar. A look at other currencies shows that most of them are just suffering like KES against the dollar.
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Gatheuzi
#86 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 7:10:53 AM
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For me CBK will hike the CBR next week. Three reasons;
1) We are a net importer and any currency depreciation has unfavorable effects on those manufactured commondities we get from wherever.

2) The second most important reason will be to allow banks to make some profit growth. A rate hike will reflect immediately on existing loans. Iam sure some banks have already prepared notifications to clients about the rate hike and are only waiting for the rate confirmation. This will guarantee them a better 2H since a rate drop is not reflected as fast.

3) With a rate hike, the other problem of excess liquidity will be sorted.
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#87 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 7:25:32 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
For me CBK will hike the CBR next week. Three reasons;
1) We are a net importer and any currency depreciation has unfavorable effects on those manufactured commondities we get from wherever.

2) The second most important reason will be to allow banks to make some profit growth. A rate hike will reflect immediately on existing loans. Iam sure some banks have already prepared notifications to clients about the rate hike and are only waiting for the rate confirmation. This will guarantee them a better 2H since a rate drop is not reflected as fast.

3) With a rate hike, the other problem of excess liquidity will be sorted.

For no. 2 i remember in 2012 what that hike did to me by increasing repayment period by 4 months.......I don't know by how many it will increase this time!Pray
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#88 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 8:52:38 AM
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kizee1 wrote:
intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

Kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)



The economic circle turns ... look at what CBK have just done , they are trying to mop up currency and reduce cash flows to make the shilling stronger ... good idea , but wait , by doing this they just hurt Kenyan businesses who've borrowed and again savings just became even more attractive than start ups . Result start ups slow down borrowers default rate increases , expenses rise as costs forwarded to consumer . Many of the companies that borrowed in the first place to help themselves out now will look for ways to cushion themselves and a lot do it by layoffs. What is Kenyans source of Forex :

1. Agriculture - suffering as tea prices have dipped
2. Tourism - On its back looking at the sky and praying for a miracle

Foreign exchange inflows are down and don't forget kenya is a net importer so outflows will always be higher than inflows, then we have the Eurobond to pay and we've got speculators in the country hungry to make a killing on those 85-86 shilling worth of dollars there hoarding since they got them.

Why do you think the NSE has lost so much so quick , its because foreigners who've put their money in are leaving the market because there loosing money with the drop in value of the KSH ( even more outflows). Economics 101 the stock market is a beacon of the economies health . How many companies have declared meager growth or worse yet losses.

If the Government would like to see the economy boom allow the CMA to give SME's a chance to list and source funding from markets rather than only banks and i guarantee with the mergers and acquisitions that will result , yes we may loose 10-12% of SME's but we will grow in efficiency and productivity and quality.

smile

kizee1
#89 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 10:17:45 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
For me CBK will hike the CBR next week. Three reasons;
1) We are a net importer and any currency depreciation has unfavorable effects on those manufactured commondities we get from wherever.

2) The second most important reason will be to allow banks to make some profit growth. A rate hike will reflect immediately on existing loans. Iam sure some banks have already prepared notifications to clients about the rate hike and are only waiting for the rate confirmation. This will guarantee them a better 2H since a rate drop is not reflected as fast.

3) With a rate hike, the other problem of excess liquidity will be sorted.



what excess liquidity? do you have any data to support ur claim? inflation is flat, growth is flat, banks are not lending? short term rates are up, CBK is mopping up daily, please tell me your not serious
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#90 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 10:28:22 AM
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@kizee1, what's driving up interest rates?
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#91 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 11:20:27 AM
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Great discussion going on right here.
@Jerry,your answer is in what @kizee1 has just said. One word...illiquidity.
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hisah
#92 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 1:18:50 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)

Whoa! Has the yield curve started inverting? This is worse than I thought!! Btw CBK removed the yield curve tracker from their site back in 2011 when KES was facing similar conditions. Though this time inflation spike is absent. A recession is on the cards which is much better than stagflation. Stagflation would cause nasty econ damage than a recession in terms of job cuts/biz defaults/closure while servicing a huge foreign debt bill.

If the yield curve has indeed started to invert equities will deflate sharply. Mr market will be in a negative mood for a while.

@aguy I foresee fat tails season 2 coming back going by @kizee1 opinions.

@spt I dont think cbk can stall the $ rally with the current mechanics. It may work for a short term, but econ fundies can't sustain it.
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#93 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 1:29:35 PM
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dunkang wrote:
CBK should just give up chasing this dollar. A look at other currencies shows that most of them are just suffering like KES against the dollar.

True
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#94 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 2:38:48 PM
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@kizee I forgot to ask about M3. How are the statistics?
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#95 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 3:20:31 PM
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hisah wrote:
@kizee I forgot to ask about M3. How are the statistics?


in the period 2014 to 2015 oscillated between kes 2.1 and 2.3 trn I only have stats upto march 2015 and there was a slight decline from the month of feb
kizee1
#96 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 3:24:31 PM
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hisah wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)

Whoa! Has the yield curve started inverting? This is worse than I thought!! Btw CBK removed the yield curve tracker from their site back in 2011 when KES was facing similar conditions. Though this time inflation spike is absent. A recession is on the cards which is much better than stagflation. Stagflation would cause nasty econ damage than a recession in terms of job cuts/biz defaults/closure while servicing a huge foreign debt bill.

If the yield curve has indeed started to invert equities will deflate sharply. Mr market will be in a negative mood for a while.

@aguy I foresee fat tails season 2 coming back going by @kizee1 opinions.

@spt I dont think cbk can stall the $ rally with the current mechanics. It may work for a short term, but econ fundies can't sustain it.


not yet inverted but I predict it might, cbk is hell bent on keeping this ccy in check and the only short term tool they have is to dry up an illiquid mkt
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#97 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 4:07:06 PM
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hisah wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)

Whoa! Has the yield curve started inverting? This is worse than I thought!! Btw CBK removed the yield curve tracker from their site back in 2011 when KES was facing similar conditions. Though this time inflation spike is absent. A recession is on the cards which is much better than stagflation. Stagflation would cause nasty econ damage than a recession in terms of job cuts/biz defaults/closure while servicing a huge foreign debt bill.

If the yield curve has indeed started to invert equities will deflate sharply. Mr market will be in a negative mood for a while.

@aguy I foresee fat tails season 2 coming back going by @kizee1 opinions.

@spt I dont think cbk can stall the $ rally with the current mechanics. It may work for a short term, but econ fundies can't sustain it.


smile The way i enjoyed season 1, im grabbing my popcorn for this one. This time ill hang on to the Big five and others, thats where the joy will come from.
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hisah
#98 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2015 5:29:25 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
hisah wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
intervening thru voice brokers they had banned two weeks ago lol

anyway cbk is hell bent on saving the kes at the expense of the economy, note overnite rates are as high as 14pct,

kenyans face two realities 1. a weak currency and a moderately performing economy or 2. a strongish currency and a recession

if cb keep tightening short end thru TADs and FX interventions, short term rates will tick up and the yield curve will invert,( what does this point to class?)

Whoa! Has the yield curve started inverting? This is worse than I thought!! Btw CBK removed the yield curve tracker from their site back in 2011 when KES was facing similar conditions. Though this time inflation spike is absent. A recession is on the cards which is much better than stagflation. Stagflation would cause nasty econ damage than a recession in terms of job cuts/biz defaults/closure while servicing a huge foreign debt bill.

If the yield curve has indeed started to invert equities will deflate sharply. Mr market will be in a negative mood for a while.

@aguy I foresee fat tails season 2 coming back going by @kizee1 opinions.

@spt I dont think cbk can stall the $ rally with the current mechanics. It may work for a short term, but econ fundies can't sustain it.


not yet inverted but I predict it might, cbk is hell bent on keeping this ccy in check and the only short term tool they have is to dry up an illiquid mkt

Thanks for the M3 stats. So CBK has decided to dry a semi desert so that KES can survive!? Good luck. 2015 GDP growth projections should just be revised downwards with a straight face.
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#99 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2015 6:41:57 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...2/-/5kiiti/-/index.html

Looks like the 100 mark is inevitable. It might coincide with kq announcing a record loss for a listed nse stock.
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#100 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2015 11:06:02 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Shilling-weakens-on-energy-sector-dollar-demand/-/539552/2760972/-/5kiiti/-/index.html

Looks like the 100 mark is inevitable. It might coincide with kq announcing a record loss for a listed nse stock.


Cbk will continue selling dollars to contain the slide!!!
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